Hallelujah! Finally some expectations for Saku from GOHABBERS!!!

Ando · Guru

Hallelujah! Finally some expectations for Saku from GOHABBERS!!!

Fatherhab · Senior Member

True And-o, and as you stated this applies to everyone on the team. Kovy has also got to produce more than he did last season in order to earn the cash he is paid. He had 23 goals last season, of that number, 9 were power play goals. 14 even strength goals just doesn't meet expectations from him. He wanted regular linemates, he'll have them this year it would appear with Ribs and Sammy, so lets hold him to higher expectations.

barry33 · Guru

Fatherhab wrote:

True And-o, and as you stated this applies to everyone on the team. Kovy has also got to produce more than he did last season in order to earn the cash he is paid. He had 23 goals last season, of that number, 9 were power play goals. 14 even strength goals just doesn't meet expectations from him. He wanted regular linemates, he'll have them this year it would appear with Ribs and Sammy, so lets hold him to higher expectations.

My expectations actually ar ehigher for Kovalev than Koivu. Kovalev is supposed to be our one pure superstar and has teh ability to dominate out there. At leats Koivu brings other things to the table (ie defense, leadership). Kovalev is a goal scorer and that is it.

Ando · Guru

barry33 wrote:

Kovalev is a goal scorer and that is it.

True! Too true!!!

...And-o has a feeling (for some reason) that Carbo will want to have a long look at Corey Locke this Fall.

If anyone wants to have a look at some impressive Junior stats (especially playoff stats), just go have a read of Corey Locke's stats while playing for 'Killer' in Ottawa!!! WOW!!! The guy would only need to bring two-thirds of that to the table in Montreal in order to win a regular spot on either one of the top two lines!!! (...THAT and $1.25 will get you a small coffee at the corner store though)

davidb · Guru

Boy, down here a small coffee is 1.47 LOL Gas just fell to 2.99 a gallon. Whats gas going for north of the border Is it by the litre????

-- Edited by davidb at 18:00, 2006-08-31

macneil · Guru

where is this post and-o i got to read this .

Habtastic says “…he has got to put 70+ games together and get at least 20 goals and around 70pts along with his usual intangibles for him to be earning that contract”.

well habtastic he played 72 games last year , had 17 goals and 62 points so hes close to your expectations .

Barry33 says “…I will not cut him any more slack than I would anyone else just because of his bad luck…The bottom line is that given the precarious situation we have up the middle, we need Saks to be around for 70 plus games”.

barry he played an average of 74 games the last 3 seasons so hes doing what you expect .

Davidb says “…My expectations for the Captain are that he play a full season without being out for an extended period of time because of injuries”.

david b do you think he wants to be hurt , he can't control when he gets hurt , in case you missed it that was justin williams that cut koivu last year , he didnt cut himself . if you want him to stay injury free maybe he should start playing like ribs , there is no wonder while he never gets hurt , he doent try hard enuf to exert himself.

Muller93 has gone on record as stating the following prediction/expectation “….Top point producer: koivu(72)”.

thats resonable to expect from him now that he has a second line to keep the other teams honest .

...maybe the guy will even live-up to a few of these expectations!!! Imagine that....ACCOUNTABILITY!!!

and-o if he were to score 50 goals and 100 points , he wouldnt live up to your expectations , he is 1 of the few players accountable on this team , but thats not good enuf for you .

Habtastic · Guru

True Macneil, he came close to my expectations, but as Barry said in a previous post, he should not have played in the Olympics because he never got his legs back after them, otherwise he would have hit those numbers. Koivu is one of my fav players and I like him as captain, but I have said for a number of seasons that he would be better off being paid 3.5 mil (pro-rated now for salaray cap) and being 2nd-line center with a lot of specialty team time, while retainig the captaincy.

As for Kovalev, anything less than 30 goals and 90pts is a dissapointment.

Habtastic

macneil · Guru

ive always said if montreal can get a better num. 1 center than i have no problem with koivu being a num. 2 .

Nil d · Guru

macneil wrote:

where is this post and-o i got to read this .

Habtastic says “…he has got to put 70+ games together and get at least 20 goals and around 70pts along with his usual intangibles for him to be earning that contract”.

well habtastic he played 72 games last year , had 17 goals and 62 points so hes close to your expectations .

Barry33 says “…I will not cut him any more slack than I would anyone else just because of his bad luck…The bottom line is that given the precarious situation we have up the middle, we need Saks to be around for 70 plus games”.

barry he played an average of 74 games the last 3 seasons so hes doing what you expect .

Davidb says “…My expectations for the Captain are that he play a full season without being out for an extended period of time because of injuries”.

david b do you think he wants to be hurt , he can't control when he gets hurt , in case you missed it that was justin williams that cut koivu last year , he didnt cut himself . if you want him to stay injury free maybe he should start playing like ribs , there is no wonder while he never gets hurt , he doent try hard enuf to exert himself.

Muller93 has gone on record as stating the following prediction/expectation “….Top point producer: koivu(72)”.

thats resonable to expect from him now that he has a second line to keep the other teams honest .

...maybe the guy will even live-up to a few of these expectations!!! Imagine that....ACCOUNTABILITY!!!

and-o if he were to score 50 goals and 100 points , he wouldnt live up to your expectations , he is 1 of the few players accountable on this team , but thats not good enuf for you .

Macneil, I don't know what you've been into lately, but your posts are witty, reasoned, logical, unassailable, and consistently backed up with irrefutable stats and logic! I even don't mind the lack of punctuation!

Keep it up, red!

macneil · Guru

i try to throw in the odd punctuation mark just for you niller . lol thanks for the comp. it that to say previously my post have been complete jibberish .

-- Edited by macneil at 17:38, 2006-09-01

Nil d · Guru

macneil wrote:

i try to throw in the odd punctuation mark just for you niller . lol thanks for the comp. it that to say previously my post have been complete jibberish .

-- Edited by macneil at 17:38, 2006-09-01

Not at all; they were always top notch, but lately they have been superlative!

Muller93 · Guru

tsk tsk And-o. It is one thing to have expectations...quite another to imply that Koivu lacks accounatbility. In fact, that comment alone proves that you would no sooner want koivu to do well as I would like to have Ribs autograph!

koivu has had unfortunate luck, which, my pointy ear'd, jump suit wearin friend, does not translate to lack of accountabilty. Returning from cancer to pull the habs over the Bruins in the playoffs was accountable(the guy really did not have to do that).

AND...after the eye injury...I imagine many guys would have contemplated retirement after such a horrific and close call...within mm of loosing an eye. Koivu had already signed the big deal...could have walked away. That's accountable.

I am sick and tired really of so called "hab fans" yabbering on and on. Fact is he is one of the habs longest running captains in an era where it is UNLIKELY that any team is going to win the cup...the league has so much parity.

How do you measure success in this league? Heart, determination, pride in your jersey( especially if it's the legendary CH), giving back to your community, being a role model to younger athletes and consitently being on or near the top point producers on your team. Koivu displays all of those. This man has character. Show some respect.

Fact is Koivu is one of the habs great captains. The habs are unlikely to win the stanely cup more than once over the next 10 years. Same goes for Ottawa, NYR, Detroit, even Pitts with Crosby and Malkin.

Cripes And-o, you could have had Belliveau in his prime captain these hab lineups over the past 10 years...guess what...same results.

-- Edited by Muller93 at 21:36, 2006-09-01

plouf · Guru

Well said.

Diehardhabsfan · Veteran Member

I wonder what Saku's expectations of And-o are?????

sarge · Member

Well, we have to agree to disagree at some point.

The guy has character.

He has dissapointed some of us.

60 points.

Big salary, no trade clause.

I want Garry Bettman to hand him the big trophy.

I can't see it happening.

McHab · Newbie

Diehardhabsfan wrote:

I wonder what Saku's expectations of And-o are?????

That is by far one of the best replies I have ever seen on this board! Well done!

barry33 · Guru

Cripes And-o, you could have had Belliveau in his prime captain these hab lineups over the past 10 years...guess what...same results. -Muller

Well then if we have as much talent as everyone says we do on this board, and if Koivu is the leader that many says he is, then the next year or two should tell the tale of Koivu's worth, am I right? The underlying theme I have heard here is that Captain K has had to captain some pathetic teams for the past 10 years. 4 coaches have come and gone without the benefit of that excuse.

So if this team has the talent everyone says it does, and IF Saks stays healthy..then we should see his true value now..n'est pas?

macneil · Guru

barry , your not going to lay those coaches at saks feet are you , vigneault , therrian , had terrible teams to coach, and did the best they could , julien was fired because the new gm wanted his "guy" pardon the pun in place . naslund in vancouver , sakic in denver , thorton when in boston , yzerman in detroit all went through some coaches , by your argument it was their fault also . and i believe we will see the team continue to improve over the next few seasons if we remain healthy , and before and-o comes on and says well thats the problem we never stay healthy, i say saks or others don't ask to get hurt .

barry33 · Guru

macneil wrote:

barry , your not going to lay those coaches at saks feet are you , vigneault , therrian , had terrible teams to coach, and did the best they could , julien was fired because the new gm wanted his "guy" pardon the pun in place . naslund in vancouver , sakic in denver , thorton when in boston , yzerman in detroit all went through some coaches , by your argument it was their fault also . and i believe we will see the team continue to improve over the next few seasons if we remain healthy , and before and-o comes on and says well thats the problem we never stay healthy, i say saks or others don't ask to get hurt .

Red- ya missed my point. My point is that I hear often that Saks has done very well leading this team given the talent this team has had. One poster, Muller I think, said that even Belliveau could not have lead these teams to anything. Fine. Now everyone says we have turned the corner and have a good team. Lets see what Saks can do with a team with talent. We cannot have it both ways. We cannot say "Ok, Koivu had pathetic teams to be captain of so that is why we never went anywhere". and then on the other hand say "we now have a really good team that should finish 5th in our division" and then excuse Koivu for not getting the job done. Sakic has won a cup, Yzerman has won several. Thornton went to San Jose and single handedly turned a dismal team and season around.

macneil · Guru

no barry i got that point and conceed that if healthy saks should be able to get this team deep into the playoffs . the point i was making that you like another person on this board chose to pin something on saks he had no control over . now you do it less but you still do it , and the fact those others won cups and turned a team around had more to do with the talent they had around them . colorado aint doing to well now are they , detroit while doing well in the regular season got no further than montreal last year with the great stevie y as captain . i know hes a shadow of his former self , im just going on about this because you and and-o (more so and-o) dont give saks any credit when he plays well and cant wait to drop on him when he doenst meet your expectations . i believe and-o blames saks for everythng wrong in the world .

barry33 · Guru

macneil wrote:

no barry i got that point and conceed that if healthy saks should be able to get this team deep into the playoffs . the point i was making that you like another person on this board chose to pin something on saks he had no control over . now you do it less but you still do it , and the fact those others won cups and turned a team around had more to do with the talent they had around them . colorado aint doing to well now are they , detroit while doing well in the regular season got no further than montreal last year with the great stevie y as captain . i know hes a shadow of his former self , im just going on about this because you and and-o (more so and-o) dont give saks any credit when he plays well and cant wait to drop on him when he doenst meet your expectations . i believe and-o blames saks for everythng wrong in the world .

Point well taken Red

Muller93 · Guru

Barry,

One thing to remember is that posters in any habs board will be biased. Who says the habs have turned the corner? Certainly not the experts( some picking Montreal to miss the playoffs).

The habs have not had the opportunity to draft high for 2-3 years in a row for years. This is how contending teams are built. Montreal still has some decent talent, and will likely be a middle of the pack team this year( again). Insert anyone you like inplace of Koivu and you still have an average team.

macneil · Guru

are those the same experts that picked us to miss the playoffs last year along with buffalo and carolina . i wouldn't put money on anything those so called experts predict .

Muller93 · Guru

macneil wrote:

are those the same experts that picked us to miss the playoffs last year along with buffalo and carolina . i wouldn't put money on anything those so called experts predict .

True...true.

But if you believed some on here the habs would win the conference this year!

barry33 · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

macneil wrote:

are those the same experts that picked us to miss the playoffs last year along with buffalo and carolina . i wouldn't put money on anything those so called experts predict .

True...true.

But if you believed some on here the habs would win the conference this year!

Good point Mulsey- you see it is what I have said all along. We ALL have our opinions here, some clouded by personal, bias. I think that in the end, the truth lies somewhere in between the 2 extreme groups.