Too Many Free Spirits

Fatherhab · Senior Member

Too Many Free Spirits

McHab · Newbie

Yes! He's name is Guy and you will see him behind the bench this season. I don't think this board has focused much on what coaching will do for us this year. Much debate on Gainey ( who I have complete faith in as GM) but I don't recall much talk either way on Charbo taking the helm this year. I think he will be great!

MC Girl · Guru

McHab wrote:

Yes! He's name is Guy and you will see him behind the bench this season. I don't think this board has focused much on what coaching will do for us this year. Much debate on Gainey ( who I have complete faith in as GM) but I don't recall much talk either way on Charbo taking the helm this year. I think he will be great!

Hopefully Carb's will be showin' passion behind the bench this season.... something Gainey lacked bigtime.

barry33 · Guru

McHab wrote:

Yes! He's name is Guy and you will see him behind the bench this season. I don't think this board has focused much on what coaching will do for us this year. Much debate on Gainey ( who I have complete faith in as GM) but I don't recall much talk either way on Charbo taking the helm this year. I think he will be great!

I have my reservations because he is a rookie coach essentially. But time will tell. Great players with leadership do not always make great coaches. I think Carbo is still learning the ins and outs of being a head caoch. But he has a great supporting cast in Jarvis, Gainey, and Muller.

Fatherhab · Senior Member

Out of the 30 teams in the league this year, name me who you would consider to be the 5 top great coachs,hmmmmmmmmmmm how many years do you want before you respond to this? lol

Seriously, have a look, the legends of hockey will not be filled with coachs from this day and age.

McHab · Newbie

barry33 wrote:

McHab wrote:

Yes! He's name is Guy and you will see him behind the bench this season. I don't think this board has focused much on what coaching will do for us this year. Much debate on Gainey ( who I have complete faith in as GM) but I don't recall much talk either way on Charbo taking the helm this year. I think he will be great!

I have my reservations because he is a rookie coach essentially. But time will tell. Great players with leadership do not always make great coaches. I think Carbo is still learning the ins and outs of being a head caoch. But he has a great supporting cast in Jarvis, Gainey, and Muller.

Hey Barry Boy! Didn't Carbo coach Dallas for a time? I don't recall how long. I just have feeling he will be the " guy" for the job!

barry33 · Guru

Fatherhab wrote:

Out of the 30 teams in the league this year, name me who you would consider to be the 5 top great coachs,hmmmmmmmmmmm how many years do you want before you respond to this? lol

Seriously, have a look, the legends of hockey will not be filled with coachs from this day and age.

Lindy Ruff (Consistent results with little talent)
Marc Crawford (stanley Cup Winner)
Dave Lewis (Stanley Cup Winner)
Jacques Martin (one of the best technical coaches in the business)
Tom Renny (Has singlehandedly made the Rangers a real team)
Honorable mention goes to Peter Laviolette, Teddy Nolan and John Torterella

All coaches with Substantial experience as a HEAD coach. All coaches who will one day be in the hall of fame. Next question? One of the posters here last winter posed the question "Why does Montreal have to be a continuous training ground for rookie coaches".

-- Edited by barry33 at 12:18, 2006-08-30

Fatherhab · Senior Member

barry33 wrote:

Fatherhab wrote:

Out of the 30 teams in the league this year, name me who you would consider to be the 5 top great coachs,hmmmmmmmmmmm how many years do you want before you respond to this? lol

Seriously, have a look, the legends of hockey will not be filled with coachs from this day and age.

Lindy Ruff (Consistent results with little talent)
Marc Crawford (stanley Cup Winner)
Dave Lewis (Stanley Cup Winner)
Jacques Martin (one of the best technical coaches in the business)
Tom Renny (Has singlehandedly made the Rangers a real team)
Honorable mention goes to Peter Laviolette, Teddy Nolan and John Torterella

All coaches with Substantial experience as a HEAD coach. All coaches who will one day be in the hall of fame. Next question? One of the posters here last winter posed the question "Why does Montreal have to be a continuous training ground for rookie coaches".

-- Edited by barry33 at 12:18, 2006-08-30

Lindy Ruff (Consistent results with little talent) - Former NHL Player
Marc Crawford (stanley Cup Winner) - What has he done for anyone lately
Dave Lewis (Stanley Cup Winner) - Learnt from the best Scotty- Where were they after round one of the playoffs with all Detroit's talent
Jacques Martin (one of the best technical coaches in the business) - Thats why he is still the Sens coach- failed to bring the Sens to the ultimate finals of the playoffs after numerous attempts.
Tom Renny (Has singlehandedly made the Rangers a real team) - They really did well in the playoffs with the top scorer in their line-up
Honorable mention goes to Peter Laviolette, Teddy Nolan and John Torterella---We'll see about Laviolette this year. Torterella hasn't proven anything that I recall.

Now not saying they are not good coachs, but not in the category of Great yet

Time will tell with Carbo- Willing to give him the chance, seeing as our last 2 coachs were experienced head coachs prior to coming to the Habs.

heet_150 · Guru

Fatherhab wrote:

Jacques Martin (one of the best technical coaches in the business) - Thats why he is still the Sens coach- failed to bring the Sens to the ultimate finals of the playoffs after numerous attempts.

Now not saying they are not good coachs, but not in the category of Great yet

Time will tell with Carbo- Willing to give him the chance, seeing as our last 2 coachs were experienced head coachs prior to coming to the Habs.

Agree with nearly everything Padre, except Martin coaches the Panthers (and what a season they had

). These coaches are very good, but definately not great. I would take Carbo over Ruff, Crawford, Lewis, Laviolette and Torterella. As far as Nolan, Martin or Rennie... Hell, I would take Carbo over them as well. (Good thing, too, seeing as I, as of yet, have no authority to name coaches

for the club. But I will keep on with my letter writing campaign

)

barry33 · Guru

heet_150 wrote:

Fatherhab wrote:

Jacques Martin (one of the best technical coaches in the business) - Thats why he is still the Sens coach- failed to bring the Sens to the ultimate finals of the playoffs after numerous attempts.

Now not saying they are not good coachs, but not in the category of Great yet

Time will tell with Carbo- Willing to give him the chance, seeing as our last 2 coachs were experienced head coachs prior to coming to the Habs.

Agree with nearly everything Padre, except Martin coaches the Panthers (and what a season they had ). These coaches are very good, but definately not great. I would take Carbo over Ruff, Crawford, Lewis, Laviolette and Torterella. As far as Nolan, Martin or Rennie... Hell, I would take Carbo over them as well. (Good thing, too, seeing as I, as of yet, have no authority to name coaches for the club. But I will keep on with my letter writing campaign)

Heet- have you been into the rum already today? I will leave the debate up to others. But to say that you would take Carbo, an unproven, over the likes of Nolan, Crawford and Rennie is kinda bizzare. I think that many on this board have their vision clouded by teh fact that guys like Carbo were legends as players for the habs. Would you have the same faith in him if, say, he played for San Jose, was a captain, and now is jumping into coaching after being an assistant for a year? Anyone remember Eddie Olcyk? Tony Granato? What has Toreteralla done fatherhab? Oh ..won a cup 2 years back. Crawford? Coach of the year. Laviolette? cup.

heet_150 · Guru

barry33 wrote:

Heet- have you been into the rum already today? I will leave the debate up to others. But to say that you would take Carbo, an unproven, over the likes of Nolan, Crawford and Rennie is kinda bizzare. I think that many on this board have their vision clouded by teh fact that guys like Carbo were legends as players for the habs. Would you have the same faith in him if, say, he played for San Jose, was a captain, and now is jumping into coaching after being an assistant for a year? Anyone remember Eddie Olcyk? Tony Granato? What has Toreteralla done fatherhab? Oh ..won a cup 2 years back. Crawford? Coach of the year. Laviolette? cup.

Nope, no alcohol... yet.

Seriously, if Nolan is such a great coach (remember now, I think he is very good) why was he blackballed for so many years. If he was great, it wouldn't matter what kind of prick he is/was, someone would have hired him. I absolutely do not want Crawford as a coach, because I despise the "Hate-the-coach-so-much-that-we-like-each-other" mentallity. It didn't work very well in Vancouver AGAIN this past year. Rennie??? Seriously, Rennie? What has he done?

No, I would not have the same faith in Carbo if he was never the captain in the most difficult hockey town EVER to be a captain in. Anyone that can stay sane after five years as Captain in Montreal has (in my opinion) shown unwavering fortitude, exactly what is needed to coach the Habs. Every single move he will make will be questioned. Just like when he was the captain. However, I also have faith in him because he has survived in this league for quite some time. Will we ever see Olcyk in the NHL again? Probably not. Granato? Again, nope. You may call it blind faith, but if someone can stick around this league for an extended period of time, I think that they may have some talent/knowledge of the game.

Just my

Fatherhab · Senior Member

barry33 wrote:

heet_150 wrote:

Fatherhab wrote:

Jacques Martin (one of the best technical coaches in the business) - Thats why he is still the Sens coach- failed to bring the Sens to the ultimate finals of the playoffs after numerous attempts.

Now not saying they are not good coachs, but not in the category of Great yet

Time will tell with Carbo- Willing to give him the chance, seeing as our last 2 coachs were experienced head coachs prior to coming to the Habs.

Agree with nearly everything Padre, except Martin coaches the Panthers (and what a season they had ). These coaches are very good, but definately not great. I would take Carbo over Ruff, Crawford, Lewis, Laviolette and Torterella. As far as Nolan, Martin or Rennie... Hell, I would take Carbo over them as well. (Good thing, too, seeing as I, as of yet, have no authority to name coaches for the club. But I will keep on with my letter writing campaign)

Heet- have you been into the rum already today? I will leave the debate up to others. But to say that you would take Carbo, an unproven, over the likes of Nolan, Crawford and Rennie is kinda bizzare. I think that many on this board have their vision clouded by teh fact that guys like Carbo were legends as players for the habs. Would you have the same faith in him if, say, he played for San Jose, was a captain, and now is jumping into coaching after being an assistant for a year? Anyone remember Eddie Olcyk? Tony Granato? What has Toreteralla done fatherhab? Oh ..won a cup 2 years back. Crawford? Coach of the year. Laviolette? cup.

Hm- So because you have won a cup makes you a GREAT coach-not. Olcyk has now been replaced by Therrien- who got his training in Montreal with all kinds of experience as a coach in junior. Torteteralla- had the same team he won the cup with 2 yrs. ago- couldn't get by the first round this season--great coaches come and go? Crawford- won lots of cups in Vancouver with a lineup that you would drool for in Montreal and now he is gone- greatness has worn off.

As for Laviolette- as I said, we'll see about his abilities this season- one season does not make a great coach.

Of the ones you named, I would be inclined to take Ruff over any of the others-- but I would not classify him as a great coach.

Heet- I am aware that Martin is in Florida- I was being cynical about him no longer being in Ottawa

Now in my humble opinion the following were great coachs- Blake,Bowman, Arbour, Sather

Will we ever see the likes again?

barry33 · Guru

Fatherhab- no we will never see the likes of the Bowmans etc..these guys were awesome coach's and legends. But keep in mind that the tiems have changed since they coached. Back then, if the players did not perform, were lazy, or did not like the coach, it was the players who got sent packing and not the coach. Coaches back then were allowed to stay and coach. Even if they had a bad season or two, the owners and GM's stuck with them and traded away the trouble makers in uniform. In this day and age, the spoiled players and their agents run the show. The inmates are running the asylum. Players are now allowed to QUIT on the coach. Back in Bowman's day, or Arbour, if you decided you did not like the coach or his system you got traded to Colorado or Oakland. Coaches were allowed to coach without fear of playing babysitter at the same time.

Can anyone tell me why a player should earn 5 million a year while the top coaches in the league do well to earn a million? In the corporate world do the office clerks earn more than teh CEO's?

So in the respect that times have changed, you will never see coaching legends like Bowman and Arbour ever again. And to me, that is a pure shame.

AB Habman · Guru

To keep it simple...Carb is already a better coach than Gainey! His passion and work ethic is what this average roster needs to reach higher heights. I'm not worried about Gainey or Muller at all. Both class acts that will demand and earn their respect.

Fatherhab · Senior Member

Amen!

Caper_hab_fan · Veteran Member

(1) Lindy Ruff

(2) Barry Trotz

(3) Ken Hitch****

plouf · Guru

I have to agree about Lindy Ruff and Peter Laviolette, who have done a lot with nothing.
I'm iffier about some of the others, especially Renney, who's had a lot of downs to go with those ups.

But let's remember Ruff's history. Hired as a gamble, former player, didn't do much for the Sabres at first. But was given a chance after a bad season or two and came back to lead a bunch of nobodies to some great things. Maybe Carbonneau could be the same.

That said, sometimes I do wish we'd go for a proven coach, like we did with Demers (winning a cup).

You have to admit one thing though Barry, Carbonneau is (like Gainey himself back in the day) the kind of guy you expect to make it as a coach. A tough character, smart, respected, etc... He's nothing like Eddie Olczyk, who's a good guy but basically a softie. Carbonneau has always seemed like a future coach, and he was definitely a key guy in the dressing room for Hitch**** and Gainey back when too. I guarantee that's why Gainey has faith in him.