Adding up the Cap

AB Habman · Guru

Adding up the Cap

beakermania · Senior Member

Hossa no, Hainsey don't know..

barry33 · Guru

beakermania wrote:

Hossa no, Hainsey don't know..

When discussing the pros and cons of Gainey's performance in Montreal, the Hainsey move had to be a lowpoint. He put him on waivers thinking that no one would grab him.....

macneil · Guru

thats no on both, hainsey just signed a new 2 year deal with columbus , i heard maclean talk about it on a radio show , he was pleased at how he played last year . i believe he said he was plus 13 in 55 games on columbus , we f@#$ that 1 up didnt we . would he have been that good here , who know , there are a lot more distractions for hollywood hainsey in montreal than in columbus .

Ando · Guru

barry33 wrote:

When discussing the pros and cons of Gainey's performance in Montreal, the Hainsey move had to be a lowpoint. He put him on waivers thinking that no one would grab him.....

WRONG!!! You sure can’t blame Gainey for losing Hainsey!

You all need to remember that the attempt to recall Hainsey from Hamilton (which required him to clear waivers) precipitated from the Andrei Markov suspension which resulted from some utterly disgusting officiating versus Toronto (what else is new).

Also…you should note…that this rule has since been changed as a result of this very incident…and should be referred to henceforth as ‘The Hainsey Clause’!

Credit Gainey for NOT publicly whining about this loss to this very day…because...make no mistake…this loss will be felt in Montreal for years!!! Columbus was basically given a top 4 defenseman for at least another 8 full seasons! What a damn shame!!!

barry33 · Guru

Ando wrote:

barry33 wrote:

When discussing the pros and cons of Gainey's performance in Montreal, the Hainsey move had to be a lowpoint. He put him on waivers thinking that no one would grab him.....

WRONG!!! You sure can’t blame Gainey for losing Hainsey!

You all need to remember that the attempt to recall Hainsey from Hamilton (which required him to clear waivers) precipitated from the Andrei Markov suspension which resulted from some utterly disgusting officiating versus Toronto (what else is new).

Also…you should note…that this rule has since been changed as a result of this very incident…and should be referred to henceforth as ‘The Hainsey Clause’!

Credit Gainey for NOT publicly whining about this loss to this very day…because...make no mistake…this loss will be felt in Montreal for years!!! Columbus was basically given a top 4 defenseman for at least another 8 full seasons! What a damn shame!!!

Ahhh yes..once again "Teflon Bob" comes out of that one unscathed

The fact is And-O buddy, that Hainsey should not have been sent down to begin with. He knew when he sent him down that there was a chance that he would lose him on waivers. Blame offictaing or the rules..whatever. The rules were there and he knew it. This is the same man who signed Pete Vandermeer to a ONE WAY contract only to send him down, pay him NHL money, and keep Ivannis.

-- Edited by barry33 at 12:05, 2006-08-16

macneil · Guru

yes they are a few of boobs lesser moments , why he kept striet and sent down hainsey ill still never fugure out , as for the enforcers that was only money so i didnt mind that .

Figaro · Guru

macneil wrote:

yes they are a few of boobs lesser moments , why he kept striet and sent down hainsey ill still never fugure out , as for the enforcers that was only money so i didnt mind that .

That's the beauty of it - BG doesnt get into that BS. He makes his moves and moves on. And Barry, ever hear of sunk costs? Sometimes you make a deal and then a better deal comes up. You already spent the $$ and can't get it back so should not use it as a reason not to proceed with option B. Anyway, it's not my money so they can spend the whole cap for all I care. As long as there are Habs on the ice. Now, if those Habs are good and make me proud, then all the better.

PS - Miss Hainsey but it seemed as though he couldn't handle the Habs. I hated losing him because I thought he would turn out fine. But some times you just have to send someone a message. And some times when you make a player choice it is for reasons the fans will never appreciate.

barry33 · Guru

Figaro wrote:

macneil wrote:

yes they are a few of boobs lesser moments , why he kept striet and sent down hainsey ill still never fugure out , as for the enforcers that was only money so i didnt mind that .

That's the beauty of it - BG doesnt get into that BS. He makes his moves and moves on. And Barry, ever hear of sunk costs? Sometimes you make a deal and then a better deal comes up. You already spent the $$ and can't get it back so should not use it as a reason not to proceed with option B. Anyway, it's not my money so they can spend the whole cap for all I care. As long as there are Habs on the ice. Now, if those Habs are good and make me proud, then all the better.

PS - Miss Hainsey but it seemed as though he couldn't handle the Habs. I hated losing him because I thought he would turn out fine. But some times you just have to send someone a message. And some times when you make a player choice it is for reasons the fans will never appreciate.

Figs- my point is this. Gainey IS human. He makes mistakes. Hainsey was a mistake. He has made others. What peeves me are the people who think the guy can do no wrong. I fully expect to see him walking across the St. Lawerence when I go up there in Oct.

Jonny G · Senior Member

barry33 wrote:

beakermania wrote:

Hossa no, Hainsey don't know..

When discussing the pros and cons of Gainey's performance in Montreal, the Hainsey move had to be a lowpoint. He put him on waivers thinking that no one would grab him.....

Didn't BG claim Begin off of the waiver wire? If so, BG gained more under the rule than he lost.

Nil d · Guru

Geez, I can't believe all these wistful glances and heady talk about Ron Hainsey.

I'm not unsentimental (far from it), but Hainsey was given every chance to earn a spot and shine in Montreal, and after three years, he still sucked! Streit is/was far better than anything I ever saw in Ron Hainsey.

Hainsey's performance in Columbus has no bearing on what his future would hypothetically have been in Montreal. He was given ample opportunity to become a regular d-man, and did not grab it. I don't remember anyone on this board complaining when he left.

Get over it!

Sheesh...............

habs93 · Veteran Member

Hainsey along with Ward - Hossa - Balej & Beauchemin etc are players who had a chance to make the Habs but did not prove or impress enough to stick with the big team to become full time players or earn a second contract like Ryder - Higgins or Perezhogin and with young players in the system to replace them they were let go.....Beauchemin was let go but it took three teams for him to develop and get a good contract which he signed recently....

barry33 · Guru

Nil d wrote:

Geez, I can't believe all these wistful glances and heady talk about Ron Hainsey.

I'm not unsentimental (far from it), but Hainsey was given every chance to earn a spot and shine in Montreal, and after three years, he still sucked! Streit is/was far better than anything I ever saw in Ron Hainsey.

Hainsey's performance in Columbus has no bearing on what his future would hypothetically have been in Montreal. He was given ample opportunity to become a regular d-man, and did not grab it. I don't remember anyone on this board complaining when he left.

Get over it!

Sheesh...............

Nilsey- I do not disagree with your assesment of Hainsey. In fact, I was one of those at the time that said he had every chance to prove himself but did not..when he was sent down. But that does not negate the fact that he was let go for nothing because of an error.

plouf · Guru

I don't know what all this Teflon Bob talk is Barry. Even his biggest fans acknowledge that he is human and has made several mistakes already for us. This is just a fairly patronizing exaggeration.

I think way too much is made around here of how brave it is to criticize the GM's moves. Actually I think it's the easy thing to do, especially in hindsight.

-- Edited by plouf at 08:12, 2006-08-18

beakermania · Senior Member

Hainsey sucked in Montreal, showed nothing in Hamilton, and earned his Hollywood Ron reputation. He was a guy who was never gonna grow up until he got that reality check he needed by being given up on by montreal and claimed by Columbus. Even now I am still unsure he will ever live up to his potential and become a consistent guy in the NHL.

The defenceman i hated losing was Beauchemin, he always outplayed Hainsey and I was sad the day he was lost to make room for Ron.

skandel · Member

I couldnt agree with you more breaker! Beauchemein has really proved himself on Anaheim. He was right behind Niedermier last year on the depth chart and earned his ice time. Considering how Burke has been loading up the ducks with great d, that is only a testement to Beauchemin and what the habs couldve had.

barry33 · Guru

skandel wrote:

I couldnt agree with you more breaker! Beauchemein has really proved himself on Anaheim. He was right behind Niedermier last year on the depth chart and earned his ice time. Considering how Burke has been loading up the ducks with great d, that is only a testement to Beauchemin and what the habs couldve had.

I guess in fairness to BG and all GM's, hindsite is 20/20. It is easy to criticise after the fact, but IZ think GM's make the move at the time, that they feel is right, given the performance to date of the player. Sometimes it blows up on you (ie Beauchemen) or sometimes it proves to be the right one (ie Josef Blaej).

skandel · Member

Barry you brought up something that people often forget, that gainey acquired Kovalev for basically nothing. It is now clear that Josef Blaej was a bust of a prospect, but at the time everyone was upset that gainey was giving up our number one guy on the farm. In that case, Gaineys intuition work out perfectly, and i guess that just goes to show that you have to wait to find out with your moves were right, but they will ALWAYS make mistakes. the key is making more good moves than bad.