If you havent read the Code Of Conduct, please read it first.
The Code of Conduct was put in place to be more of a guideline than a strict set of rules to be followed. If you really expect every post with a "bad" word to be deleted, than you are taking this WAY too far. We are all adults, and as adults we should be able to distinguish the difference between acceptable and unacceptable posts. Posters should not have to come here and be afraid of having their personal lives attacked. This whole thing started because that just thing shappened. It has never really happened on Gohabs.com before and is a new topic that is currently being resolved.
Forum Fan you want to know why The thread "Ribeiro Sucks" remains on the board? I think that this question can be answered by yourself. First off, if the word sucks REALLY offends someone, they must be walking around everyday in a really bad mood, because it is quite the common word and has been used on this board many times. If it REALLY bothers someone than please, come forward and we will have the word "sucks" banned from use. But we will also have nap time and recess installed on the gohabs.com board.
We all should know what is reasonable to post on the board. Refrain from extremely harsh profanity, or use $#^@# to cover whatever it is you want to say and let the reader decide what it says.
I know it might sound hypocritical to say it is ok to say a player sucks, but not that a board member is a #^& ^#&$. Professional athletes know it is part of the job to be critisized, however it is NOT part of sharing your opinions openly on a message board. It is ok to disagree with what a poster has said, but it is not ok to respond to what was said with personal attacks or insulting statements. And that is what we are trying to control.
Understand that it is not only a moderators job to decide what is acceptable to be on the board and what isnt, it is yours as posters just as much. Before you post, re read your post and be sure there is nothing in it that might be insulting to another poster. Furthermore, do not post messages thats sole purpose is TO ATTACK a fellow poster. Take responsibility in your posts and do your part in keeping this board clean and safe, to a reasonable extent.
We are in NO WAY saying that you cannot express your posts without passion, but DO NOT bring someones personal life into anything! Plain and simple as that.
I must apologise to Beleafer. I am really upset with how the whole thing happened. He came to this board with NO intentions of causing problems, but his first few posts were not liked much by a few people and right away, being a leaf fan, he was treated with no respect and was attacked personally. He responded with his own, more severe insults and attacks and was banned for going too far with the whole thing. Personally, i think a few members on the board deserved a suspension from the board for how they reacted. It should not matter what team a person is a fan of, to come on this board and post. He/She is a fan of the game we ALL love, and that should be enough right there. I honestly believe if Beleafers name had nothing to do with the leafs, and he had not stated he is a leaf fan, he would still be here. The way Avs/habs fan has been treated so far has also been a little questionable. Sure some of what he says may not be too clear to some, but it is his opinion, and we can not decide for him what he should believe or not. Simply respond with what you feel is right, and what it is about what he said you disagree with and why. That goes for ANY post that there is a conflict with.
Simply treat others with the same respect you wish to be shown. We will moderate and delete posts that become out of hand or cross the line of what is felt to be reasonable. If ANYONE here feels that something should be done, simply PM Mario, Myself or Figaro and we will look into it. God knows over 100 posts are made here a day, and i know i dont read all of them, so it is easy to sometimes miss something. Lastly, i feel there is no problem with having the odd off-hockey topic on the board. Ive said it before, i consider alot of the people here good friends of mine, and i like to share good news and other interesting tidbits. If Mario had a problem with this, im sure he would have said something, but he hasnt, so im implying that he doesnt mind, as long as it is in good taste.
Please guys and gals, it shouldnt be THIS big of a deal. We are all Hab fans and we all love and respect each other wether you want to admit it or not. Lets not point fingers, call names or whine about little bo-bos. Back to hockey!!!
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At just 18, i've got the girl who has said the 6 words i've wanted to hear my whole life!! " My Dad Owns A Liquor Store"
NEWFIEHABSFAN wrote: treat others as you would like to be treated,good sensiable post, i agree totally! I was about to highlight that very line from Johab's post, but I see you beat me to it! It's really the Golden Rule; a good rule for all of us to live by. Johab says "we're all adults" - he's a kid and is more mature than many of us........
Hey Nil d, i almost stopped myself there and added most of us are adults but i remembered i AM 18 now!...
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At just 18, i've got the girl who has said the 6 words i've wanted to hear my whole life!! " My Dad Owns A Liquor Store"
I totally respect the code of conduct, many boards have none and quite often they turn in to free for alls with threats of legal action. Free for all and rude behavior do only one thing on a forum, they chase valued members away...unfortunately over moderating can have the same effect. It's a fine ballance and a tough job for a group of volunteers.
What I don't understand is your defense of beleafer?!?! Why does a leaf fan feel the need to come to a habs forum at all? To stir it up! How can you in anyway defend someone, for whatever their reasoning, used the kind of language and implied threats on a respected female member of this board? Johab, I don't know you at all, but I have to say I'm a little dissapointed with your comments re beleafer "He came to this board with NO intentions of causing problems". How do you, or anyone but beleafer know what his intentions were? If he didn't expect ribbing and barbs, being a leaf fan on a habs board, he's either very niave or not very smart. His private emails, as you know, bordered on criminal activity...and you're defending him?!?!
Just in case you think I'm some newbie who has no clue, I've been following this site longer than most of you knew the internet has existed (I'm on my 2nd or 3rd forum name due to loss of data). I've been patronizing gohabs.com since 1996/97 and was writing to Mario back then (Mario helped teach me web design)...I said it then and I'll say it now, kudos to one of my favorite sites on the net Mario, then, and now!
Maybe you need a lounge. The site has some chatterboxes who don't offer much by way of cogent observation or Habs-related information. I separate posters into the 'True Habs Fans' and the 'Habs Buffs' categories: one group wants to share opinions and information, and the other cackles on about how many posts they've made.
I got tired of the rattle and hum and posted a tongue-in-cheek message a while back about silly posts (there had been a couple of pocket-protecter types posted after the Oscars) and got slagged by habgirl and brooklynhabfan, among others (according to bhf, i'm an A$#&@). So much for Habspersonship.
Funny thing. When you see your name attached to nasty pics and vitriolic comments, you tend to take it personally, even though this is the Net.
The problem is, is that we are here because of the sweat equity invested by Mario and Figaro and Johab. And, one of the ways they keep the site running is by the click count -- ads pay the freight. But, no clickee-no countee and the ads evaporate. When the ads evaporate, M, F and J have to decide how much $ this site is worth.
If you're like me, you find other boards -- Habsworld is very good, BTW. And, if you find other boards where people respect the fact that the other posters share the same enthusiasm for the Habs, then you don't come back, or stay very long when the site gets silly, or petty. When that happens, the click counter sits idle and the advertisers go to other sites.
Which brings me back to the lounge idea. Create a second board for the social set. I don't come around much, any more. Once in a while. But it's good to see that someone else is thinking about the quality of messages, rather than the quantity.
I can't really argue too much with you as I bailed two years ago when the posts got too stupid for human consumption. I hope most of my posts are on topic or at least interesting
For the record, I consider myself a true habs fan. I've been watching and cheering for the Habs since the days of Jean Beleivau, Henri Richard, Yvan Cournoyer, Jacques Lemaire, Lorne Worsley, Roggie Vachon & Tony Esposito, I know the game, but I try very hard not to micro analyize it...as many do.
I've always wondered why there aren't any members of the Western Canada Montreal Canadiens Fan Club on this site (if there are, they haven't identified themselves as such). I'm in Edmonton and recall two busloads of them coming from Saskatchewan for the Outdoor Classic. They had enough guys that they were able to play a benefit hockey game at West Edmonton Mall. But I never see any of them on this board -- or, if they're here, they don't seem to stick around.
I'm a long time Habs fan and don't have to see my name up in pixels every day. When I post, I try to make it worthwhile and I actually re-read them before I hit the 'send' button. I confess that the message that got me in hot water referred to a dearth of board Habs info on the day of an important game, when, in fact, some of that info had been posted; the problem was, it was buried under a bunch of nothing posts and had actually been superseded by the previous game thread -- I didn't scroll down until after I had created a mini-****storm (you can tell when they're upset by the number of spelling mistakes). Oh well.
Maybe we should ask for a lounge for serious fan discussions. As a long-time fan, I also like to reminisce about past victories. I'm a professional writer and could flail away at the keyboard recalling past glories. Does anyone remember Larry hitting Doernhoefer just over the blueline and breaking the boards? That was in '75-'76 when we took the Cup away from the flyers. I also remember Jimmy Roberts being interviewed between the first and second periods and him being asked how many games the series was going to go -- he was totally deadpan and answered, "Four."
Maybe, instead of rating seniority by number of posts, a new lounge could rate them by number of Cups won, with a secondary number for Cup parades witnessed. I'm 8+1. How about you, Kahuna?
I got tired of the rattle and hum and posted a tongue-in-cheek message a while back about silly posts (there had been a couple of pocket-protecter types posted after the Oscars) and got slagged by habgirl and brooklynhabfan, among others (according to bhf, i'm an A$#&@).
Wow, you're still steaming about that? And if you read the post, I said you were being a "Silly a^*" which is more Donkey-like, not an "A$#&@" which doesn't have enough letters to describe what you're being now for bringing this nonsense up.
As for tongue-in-cheek, either you don't know what that means, or you're mistaken about how your original post came over...
To quote, "You're our eyes on the ground and what do we get out of Montreal? "Oscars" and "Oscars .. part deux" -- with photos, no less. Like, don't you have anything better to do?"
Hate to have that tongue in my cheek...
That's why in addition to Habgirl (who was just agreeing with Johab, so why not leave her out of it?) and myself, several others took exception to what you wrote, including one of the moderators.
And stop trying to shove fans into your two-dimensional catagories. It's not your place or business to do so. OK. You win, you're the greatest, most loyal fan ever, everyone here agrees. Happy?
I don't know if you're trying to pick a fight here by bringing up old news, but to paraphrase Johab's message to you, perhaps you should do your research a little better if you want to try so hard to dictate the behaviour of the other members of the board...
You know, Nil d got the part about tongue-in-cheek the first time around. That said, I stand by my words about silly postings. This board has been degenerating into silliness -- and if that means saying that one of the moderators missed the point at the time, so be it.
But don't give me this nonsense about your asterisks being a vanilla epithet. I stated my opinions and you chose to get personal with the asterisks and a howling photo. What? There's like a due date on slagging, as in -- after a couple of weeks everyone has to forget that it happened?
I wouldn't have bothered posting these last messages except there seems to be this discussion going on about what is considered good behaviour and what isn't -- now, you're saying that your asterisks didn't mean anything personal? Stand by your keystrokes, dude. Show some self-respect if you can't show any respect for a fellow Habs fan.
And, if you think about it -- a lounge for off-topic posts looks better all the time.
CupJunkie wrote: Maybe, instead of rating seniority by number of posts, a new lounge could rate them by number of Cups won, with a secondary number for Cup parades witnessed. I'm 8+1. How about you, Kahuna?
Ya, I'm not playing that game...if I win, the only thing I prove is that I'm getting old
No need to play that game. I'm just trying to add a little levity (and maybe get some reminiscing happening). Actually, I was a Blackhawks fan before I was a Habs fan -- I drifted after expansion until the '70-'71 team took on the big bad bruins and showed me the one true way. Since then, life has been good. Tell me a story.
I'm truly not playing a game, I've never seen your name before tonight. First time I see you and you post reffering to past transgressions I missed...it gets my back up. No game man, I'm a sraight shooter!
The Kahuna wrote: Gotta tell you cupjunkie, I don't know you at all...but I'm smelling a hidden agenda and some past crosses to bear?!?!
Gee, the order of these messages is getting disjointed. So, I HOPE I'm posting to the right message. I think one of my previous messages would have read better if it had been inserted up a couple notches.
So, assuming that the above message is relevant: fair question, K. No real hidden agenda. Past crosses? Not really a cross, but maybe some history that hasn't settled. I don't intend to drag you into it, so, feel free to stay clear. But I'll answer your question as best I can.
I had posted a message after seeing a couple of silly threads about the Oscars at the same time as we were getting ready to play the leafs in early March. The gist of mymessage was that I'd learned more by reading the Toronto Star than I had from reading this board. So, my message apparently berated the entire board for not posting enough relevant info (especially when us farflung types don't have same-day access to the Montreal media) -- some of the info that I referred to was actually in a message that had been buried by new posts; I missed it and the accusation was that I hadn't done my homework, therefore everything I'd said was bogus. The message was intended as tongue-in-cheek, but with the missed message, Johab didn't think so, and habgirl jumped on the bandwagon, and bhb tricked up one of his pics, which was quite personal. I responded by saying that that was a pretty personal response and Nil d picked up on the fact that things were said tongue-in-cheek.
That was my last post and I haven't spent much time in these parts since. But I did drop by today and saw the 'Code' threads. If there's one thing I can't stand it's hypocrisy.
I had posted a message after seeing a couple of silly threads about the Oscars at the same time as we were getting ready to play the leafs in early March. The gist of mymessage was that I'd learned more by reading the Toronto Star than I had from reading this board. So, my message apparently berated the entire board for not posting enough relevant info (especially when us farflung types don't have same-day access to the Montreal media) -- some of the info that I referred to was actually in a message that had been buried by new posts; I missed it and the accusation was that I hadn't done my homework, therefore everything I'd said was bogus. The message was intended as tongue-in-cheek, but with the missed message, Johab didn't think so, and habgirl jumped on the bandwagon, and bhb tricked up one of his pics, which was quite personal. I responded by saying that that was a pretty personal response and Nil d picked up on the fact that things were said tongue-in-cheek. That was my last post and I haven't spent much time in these parts since. But I did drop by today and saw the 'Code' threads. If there's one thing I can't stand it's hypocrisy.-- Edited by CupJunkie at 01:55, 2006-04-04
I'm happy to have you use me to back up your posts, CJ, but frankly I don't remember any of it! As for "far-flung", I'm in Halifax, so I get my Hab news right here on this great site.
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CupJunkie wrote: That was my last post and I haven't spent much time in these parts since. But I did drop by today and saw the 'Code' threads. If there's one thing I can't stand it's hypocrisy.-- Edited by CupJunkie at 01:55, 2006-04-04
I would tell you one thing I can't stand, but it would violate the very thread you hijacked....
Here's the address to start a board to your very own specs, it's free, easy, and you can sharpen your point as narrow as you like it...
BOOOOOORING!!!!!! This has just degenrated into bickering. No one cares about past incidents. It sounds to me like most of these folks have shrugged it off, CJ, so you might as well too. Why don't you comment on the hockey at hand and lets not drag up the demons. I don't know you at all, but you sound like a pretty articulate guy who can likely provide some good insight. I for one, don't care about the politics on this site. I just use it to talk some hockey and have the occasional laugh with fellow posters and sometimes even laugh at them. I think you'll find people are very quick to let things go here and I'm sure things were initially just taken the wrong way. We're all here because of a common interest, so there is no need for all of us to use this site to bitch about others.
As for the Western contingent, I'm in Calgary and I manage to keep up on the Habs. Maybe not quite as current as the Montreal folks, but you can get a lot by surfing the internet.
Now, lets here what you have to say about the Habs...
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I am closing this thread because it is has left the original intent of the post and is not progressing. To continue this dicussion, I suggest those interested use their persnaol email to settle their differences.
Sorry for shutting your thread, Johab. Especially when it was a post discribing the need for a set of guiding principle and each members part in upholding a reputable and fun board.