Mr. Bulis Isn't Hiding His Anger!

Key Lime · Guru

Mr. Bulis Isn't Hiding His Anger!

24 Rings · Guru

I don't really understand the whole benching thing, especially because in my opinion, he has been one of the most consistent players on this team. Who knows what goes on behind locked doors though.

Key Lime · Guru

If I were to outline his qualities, wouldn't you want hin to be playing? Don't the Habs need a player like him? Sure, bench him but for 4 games?

Qualities: Very good skater - quick / Can potentially score 20-25 goals per year / Can be phycical - body checks / Doesn't look out of place on any line you put him on.

rwp2le · Guru

I think Bulis' big problem is he can't score, plain and simple. The guy gets more chances than anyone on our team, but can't seem to finish consitently. I don't know if he should be in the line up or not, it is hard to take out the grit of the other potential scratches, or the speed of Perz (don't have any idea how to spell it). Tough call for Gainey, but how can you argue when we are winning?

24 Rings · Guru

Something is going on behind the scenes, because he effectively got a promotion and was playing on a scoring line before this benching started. I don't think Gainey just pulled him out of the line-up, just because. I'm sure he has his reasons. Anyhow, they are winning, so who are we to argue right now? We lose and we complain, we win and we complain...

heet_150 · Guru

24 Rings wrote:

Anyhow, they are winning, so who are we to argue right now?

Hab fans

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-- Edited by heet_150 at 16:42, 2006-03-31

Key Lime · Guru

You all should go read "Jan Bulis' February Diary" on the Habs' official website...and to think that we a benching this guy game after game is beyond me.

Meesh · Newbie

rwp2le wrote:

I think Bulis' big problem is he can't score, plain and simple. The guy gets more chances than anyone on our team, but can't seem to finish consitently. I don't know if he should be in the line up or not, it is hard to take out the grit of the other potential scratches, or the speed of Perz (don't have any idea how to spell it). Tough call for Gainey, but how can you argue when we are winning?

If that's the case, then why is Zed still playing and not Bulis? I have to agree that he's been a contributor this year, and I for one want to see him in the lineup tonight.

davidb · Guru

Just another big mistake by Bg, then again it is just one in a long string of mistakes he has made

Key Lime · Guru

Can't Bulis replace Downey, at the least. Bulis can be a physical player and he's much better than Downey (that's a no-brainer). We keep winning but I still don't undertsand how he can bench Yan 5 out of the 6 last games!!!

Even if Gainey said that Bulis insists to play an offensive role, so what, if ytu want him to play a more defensive role, put him with Bonk and Begin then. Problem solved and at least, he doesn't rot in the stands.

Many of you know that I'm one of those who has confidence in Gainey but this one is hard to swallow

barry33 · Guru

davidb wrote:

Just another big mistake by Bg, then again it is just one in a long string of mistakes he has made

Shhh david...you are questioning God lol

Key Lime · Guru

barry33 wrote:

davidb wrote: Just another big mistake by Bg, then again it is just one in a long string of mistakes he has made Shhh david...you are questioning God lol

No Barry, this whole post is about Gainey screwing up...if once again people don't just read what they want to read. Selective Comprehension! No one thinks he's God but is there something wrong with having confidence in the GM?...FOR ONCE!!!

We should just bring back Peanut Houle then. That way you could be happy in knowing for certain that our GM is a real Dumb Ass lol

plouf · Guru

barry33 wrote:

davidb wrote:
Just another big mistake by Bg, then again it is just one in a long string of mistakes he has made
Shhh david...you are questioning God lol

This God you mention? I think he's a myth. I bet I could find you hundreds of posts on this site alone that criticize Gainey, in strong words too. And including by people who admire the guy, like And-o.

So let me ask you. Do you think davidb's post has merit? I mean do you think Gainey has just made one long string of mistakes? It's not criticizing Gainey that draws flak from many posters, it's coming up with broad, sweeping negative exaggerations that are in no way backed up. And then we have to endure questioning of our objectivity if we disagree. Because you know, we "worship" Gainey.

Doesn't relentless bashing count as a little bit "subjective" too?

Habual · Member

i dunno. think about last night- the cristobal huet and garth murray moves, which both received a lot of criticism, made a pretty big difference. bob gainey has done a lot of good things this season, and right now we have an entire roster of people who have stepped up at one time or another, in one way or another, on this "must win must win" run to the playoffs. as a former naysayer, i now feel that if bob has jan riding the pine, he must have good reason for it.

plus, as old fashioned as it may sound, if jan does not want to be in montreal then lets fire up the moving van and see what we can get for him.

Nil d · Guru

plouf wrote:

barry33 wrote: davidb wrote: Just another big mistake by Bg, then again it is just one in a long string of mistakes he has made Shhh david...you are questioning God lol This God you mention? I think he's a myth. I bet I could find you hundreds of posts on this site alone that criticize Gainey, in strong words too. And including by people who admire the guy, like And-o. So let me ask you. Do you think davidb's post has merit? I mean do you think Gainey has just made one long string of mistakes? It's not criticizing Gainey that draws flak from many posters, it's coming up with broad, sweeping negative exaggerations that are in no way backed up. And then we have to endure questioning of our objectivity if we disagree. Because you know, we "worship" Gainey. Doesn't relentless bashing count as a little bit "subjective" too?

Well put, Guru!

I'd rather read a well-reasoned argument against something I believe than a sweeping " long list of errors" type of comment without backup, even if it were somethng I agreed with (which I do not, in the case of Gainey). (Nor do I think he's a God, which is not the only alternative. That's how I became branded a Koivu-worshipper, which I never have been. I love the guy, but he's not God.)

I respect david and his posts, but his comment of Gainey's long list of errors cannot be left hanging there - give us the list!

plouf · Guru

Anyway, for the record, I think Gainey's only been pretty good to fair in terms of trades etc...but really good in terms of bringing purpose, focus and clout back to this organization.

I don't think he's been brilliant (at least not in ways that are easy to quantify), but he's been so much better than anything we've had for a long while that I'm optimistic. As for the man? He's always struck me as a bit smug, and a bit opaque with the media (and even the players), and maybe even underhanded (as in, I'll do anything it takes to win, even mess with the heads of my players and coaches)...but hey...Scotty Bowman wasn't the most likeable guy in the world either. And that's his role model, make no mistake.

The Kahuna · Guru

Key Lime wrote:

He's been out of the line up in 4 of the last 5 games. A healthy scratch and not linked to any injury. He was very vocal in an interview when asked how he explains being benched. He expressed that he didn't understand how he can be benched when he's having his best season in his career, especially offensively and he's one of the team's leaders in hits. He doesn't know what the team wants from him!
He thinks it has to do with his free agency status after the end of the season. Here's the kicker...which I think just bought him a ticket out of Mtl - He wants to know why Gainey didn't trade him before the deadline if he intentions of not making him play. Hmmm very unexpected comments from Yan. Not very good ones if he intends to continue his career with the Habs.

To me that could explain his benching right there. A good team player doesn't bitch about being benched, he says and does the right things and tries to get unbenched. Every hockey player has likely been benched at some point in their career, and it's more often than not an attitude correction. The smart ones say and do the right things and get back in the line up...the dumb ones bitch and whine and prove they're not team players...just my two cents. I'm not judging Bulis, I'm just saying this is what I've seen over the years. A 5 game benching is nothing in the grand scheme of things...especially when THE TEAM wins all 5 games

macneil · Guru

if i was jan i be bitching to , why he gets benched while others (you know who they are)get to play with no results is beyond me even if hes not contributing offesively he still good in his own end .

The Kahuna · Guru

macneil wrote:

if i was jan i be bitching to , why he gets benched while others (you know who they are)get to play with no results is beyond me even if hes not contributing offesively he still good in his own end .

Then you'd be benched too

barry33 · Guru

rwp2le wrote:

I think Bulis' big problem is he can't score, plain and simple. The guy gets more chances than anyone on our team, but can't seem to finish consitently. I don't know if he should be in the line up or not, it is hard to take out the grit of the other potential scratches, or the speed of Perz (don't have any idea how to spell it). Tough call for Gainey, but how can you argue when we are winning?

If you are gonna bench him for not scoring then perhaps he should have about 10 mofre bodies with him in the press box?

Saku11 · Senior Member

rwp2le wrote:

I think Bulis' big problem is he can't score, plain and simple. The guy gets more chances than anyone on our team, but can't seem to finish consitently. I don't know if he should be in the line up or not, it is hard to take out the grit of the other potential scratches, or the speed of Perz (don't have any idea how to spell it). Tough call for Gainey, but how can you argue when we are winning?

Bulis is probably the one the the Top 5 most gifted offensive players we have. How can you say he cant score. Try playing on the third line and having 17 goals. A lot better than Downey, Zednik and ribeiro put together

plouf · Guru

I'm sure it's not about him not scoring. It's something behind the scenes we don't know about (although Bulis's comments give us some sense of what it must be)...There's no way Bulis is worse (or is playing worse) than a lot of guys out there.

Maybe Bulis couldn't take it any more and made some comment about how he'd do better than Ribeiro as a second-line centre. Who knows?

The Kahuna · Guru

I'm with you Plouf, when a player gets benched this long, it's rarely their stick or skates...it's their mouth.

-- Edited by The Kahuna at 22:16, 2006-04-03

MC Girl · Guru

Saku11 wrote:

Bulis is probably the one the the Top 5 most gifted offensive players we have. How can you say he cant score. Try playing on the third line and having 17 goals. A lot better than Downey, Zednik and ribeiro put together

I totally agree Saku11. He's a great offensive player.

How soon we forget his 4 goal game back in January when he snapped a seven-game road losing streak. That doesn't happen to often.

Sounds pretty good to me.

The Kahuna · Guru

I don't think anyone can argue that he's having a pretty decent offensive season. But if a player is a locker room distraction or even worse a locker room disease, he needs to e "corrected". I'm not saying that this is definately what is the case with Bulis, but that's my read on what's going one. As a coach you have to take the stand that NO PLAYER is bigger than the team.

-- Edited by The Kahuna at 11:07, 2006-04-09

MC Girl · Guru

The Kahuna wrote:

I don't think anyone can argue that he's having a pretty decent offensive season. But if a player is a locker room distraction or even worse a locker room cancer, he needs to e "corrected". I'm not saying that this is definately what is the case with Bulis, but that's my read on what's going one. As a coach you have to take the stand that NO PLAYER is bigger than the team.

Absolutely!

rwp2le · Guru

Saku11 wrote:

Bulis is probably the one the the Top 5 most gifted offensive players we have. How can you say he cant score. Try playing on the third line and having 17 goals. A lot better than Downey, Zednik and ribeiro put together

I am not saying he is not a gifted player. What I am saying is that Bulis gets 5 or 6 premium chances a game and lacks finish. I would never argue with him being in the line up over Zednik, at least he knows how to pass. I have said it to anyone who will listen since we traded for Bulis that I feel he is a great player, but possibly has the worst hands in the NHL. I totally agree he has gotten a lot better this year, but still lacks the soft touch around the net to be a serious offensive player. And on a side note, Downey is not in the line up to score goals. Bulis in and Zednik out I agree with, but not Bulis in and Downey or Begin out. Should be interesting to see how he reacts tonight against the Broons.

Key Lime · Guru

rwp2le wrote:

Saku11 wrote: Bulis is probably the one the the Top 5 most gifted offensive players we have. How can you say he cant score. Try playing on the third line and having 17 goals. A lot better than Downey, Zednik and ribeiro put together I am not saying he is not a gifted player. What I am saying is that Bulis gets 5 or 6 premium chances a game and lacks finish. I would never argue with him being in the line up over Zednik, at least he knows how to pass. I have said it to anyone who will listen since we traded for Bulis that I feel he is a great player, but possibly has the worst hands in the NHL. I totally agree he has gotten a lot better this year, but still lacks the soft touch around the net to be a serious offensive player. And on a side note, Downey is not in the line up to score goals. Bulis in and Zednik out I agree with, but not Bulis in and Downey or Begin out. Should be interesting to see how he reacts tonight against the Broons.

It hurts when you put Bégin and Downey on the same level or even, the same sentence. Begin is our 4th or 5th most valuable player this year. He has wheels and can make things happen and does almost each shift!

adam13 · Member

I really can't say I understand the Bulis benching either...I expected it to last at most a couple of games. I think Bulis started to loaf around a little bit and wasn't working as hard as we, as habs fans, had become accustomed to. Bulis can put pucks in the neck as he proved last year playing in Europe and during that great January stretch. However he had gotten away from what had made him so good skating hard an playing with intensity.

To say Bulis is in the top 5 most offensively gifted players on the Habs is pure folly. The list in my opinion is as follows.

Kovalev - just needs to be hit by opposition early in games, he plays best angry.

Koivu - brings it every night

Ribeiro - an enigma...but man he can dangle

Ryder - shaky confidence right now, but that quick release snap shot is deadly

Markov - most important player on habs outside of Huet...PERIOD...

any thoughts?

Key Lime · Guru

adam13 wrote:

I really can't say I understand the Bulis benching either...I expected it to last at most a couple of games. I think Bulis started to loaf around a little bit and wasn't working as hard as we, as habs fans, had become accustomed to. Bulis can put pucks in the neck as he proved last year playing in Europe and during that great January stretch. However he had gotten away from what had made him so good skating hard an playing with intensity. To say Bulis is in the top 5 most offensively gifted players on the Habs is pure folly. The list in my opinion is as follows. Kovalev - just needs to be hit by opposition early in games, he plays best angry. Koivu - brings it every night Ribeiro - an enigma...but man he can dangle Ryder - shaky confidence right now, but that quick release snap shot is deadly Markov - most important player on habs outside of Huet...PERIOD... any thoughts?

I think Higgins should be the fifth forward on that list, if we were just talking about forwards.