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barry33 · Guru

Random Thoughts

Key Lime · Guru

Wow my nipples have gotten hard. Thanks Barry...good post

MC Girl · Guru

barry33 wrote:

Let us not forget that Huet is coming off knee surgery. And the more you play him on consecutive nights, the more you risk losing him. Who wants that? So let us pray...Lord our Father, HUET in Heaven.....

That is just hysterical Barry33

-- Edited by Figaro at 13:57, 2006-03-27

gfeaver · Veteran Member

couldn't agree more Barry, with every one of your points.That hit proved that Kovalev is here to play and will definitely bring the team closer

rwp2le · Guru

Great post Barry, good to see you taking a bit of a liking to Kovy as well. I think him and Huet are going to lead us to the playoffs, and if Huet stays as hot as he is we might even last a few rounds.

skov1044 · Member

i disagree with what u said about kovalev

even though i was happy to see kovy hit tucker ,i will call it what it is,a cheap shot

kovy is not the one who should be retailating against anyone especially when the team is fighting for a playoff spot,the last thing this team needs is there top scorer suspended for throwing elbows

the turning point in the season was when huet was named #1 goalie,i cant see the turning point of the season is when a player throws an elbow with 3 minutes left in a blow out game with 10-12 games remaining in the season

24 Rings · Guru

skov1044 wrote:

i cant see the turning point of the season is when a player throws an elbow with 3 minutes left in a blow out game with 10-12 games remaining in the season

Skovy, I think the turning point is that our most talented player has shown some emotion and passion for the first time since donning a Habs sweater. If Kovy actually gives a sh*t, just think what he might be able to do. I saw 2 goals last night, so I think he's on the right track. Also with all those fights that broke out, you saw a team standing up for it's other players which I don't think has happened all that much this season.

You call that hit a cheap shot, but I thought it was hilarious. Kovy actually had the sheer balls to do a 180 towards him while carrying the puck and lunge at his head...hahahahaha, I laughed out loud. I don't feel bad for Tucker, he's had it coming for a long time.

MC Girl · Guru

I saw us playing as a team for once, standing up for one another. Even Huet wanted in the action. But again... I'm glad he backed off.

skov1044 · Member

24 Rings wrote:

skov1044 wrote: i cant see the turning point of the season is when a player throws an elbow with 3 minutes left in a blow out game with 10-12 games remaining in the season Skovy, I think the turning point is that our most talented player has shown some emotion and passion for the first time since donning a Habs sweater. If Kovy actually gives a sh*t, just think what he might be able to do. I saw 2 goals last night, so I think he's on the right track. Also with all those fights that broke out, you saw a team standing up for it's other players which I don't think has happened all that much this season. You call that hit a cheap shot, but I thought it was hilarious. Kovy actually had the sheer balls to do a 180 towards him while carrying the puck and lunge at his head...hahahahaha, I laughed out loud. I don't feel bad for Tucker, he's had it coming for a long time.

granted i was jumping for joy when tucker got hit,

but if the roles were reverse and tucker left the ground to plant a forearm to kovy s chin,everyone would be calling for his suspension for the rest of the yr

i still dont see how a fight with a 3 minutes left in a game is a turning point

the team didnt come out yesterday with great intensity,maybe if the habs were losing to the leafs and kovy threw the elbow then the team rallied to a victory i would agree with u

skov1044 · Member

i still believe the turning point of the season is when theo fell and broke his heal/foot

at that point evryone knew who the #1 goalie was

the team has rallied behind huet

barry33 · Guru

skov1044 wrote:

i still believe the turning point of the season is when theo fell and broke his heal/foot at that point evryone knew who the #1 goalie was the team has rallied behind huet

I believe that there are many turning points in a season and yes, the emergence of Huet certainly was one of them. I do not condone, nor am I making light of, what Kovalev did. However, mere seconds earlier it was ALMOST the other way around. And yes, had Tucker connected with his elbow first, we all would have been up in arms here.Kovalev made a stand, right or wrong. And it sent a message to every team in the league but, more importantly, it sent a message to the guys on the Habs bench. So although as you put it, it was a "fight in the last 3 minutes of the game", I guarantee you that the impression left in that dressingroom will last the rest of the year, IMHO.

heet_150 · Guru

barry33 wrote:

I do not condone, nor am I making light of, what Kovalev did. However, mere seconds earlier it was ALMOST the other way around. And yes, had Tucker connected with his elbow first, we all would have been up in arms here.Kovalev made a stand, right or wrong. And it sent a message to every team in the league but, more importantly, it sent a message to the guys on the Habs bench. So although as you put it, it was a "fight in the last 3 minutes of the game", I guarantee you that the impression left in that dressingroom will last the rest of the year, IMHO.

I do condone Kovalev's actions. He was provoked. If Tucker wants to live by the sword, then the little pr**k had best be prepared to die by the sword. Had Tucker connected on his attempt to take Kovalev's head off, it would have been an unprovoked attack. Kovalev was merely retaliating. Of course, his teammates should have reacted before he had to.

Nil d · Guru

24 Rings wrote:

I think the turning point is that our most talented player has shown some emotion and passion for the first time since donning a Habs sweater. If Kovy actually gives a sh*t, just think what he might be able to do. I saw 2 goals last night, so I think he's on the right track.

Well said, two-four!

The key point (and I think this was Barry's point as well) was that Kovalev has started to show hustle and emotion on the ice. The elbow (which I thought was on the cheap-shot side of the line)was merely the personification, if you will, of his renewed attitude.

And great post, Barrry, if you're resding this!

rwp2le · Guru

I think the worst thing is we are all calling Kovy's hit an elbow, watch the video, it was all shoulder. The reason the elbow and forearm were involved is because Tucker is a midget who had his head down. Alex not only took a stand against a known cheap shot artist, he did it within the confines of the rules. He only left his feet as the tiny little girl Tucker started to fall. I have watched the video at least 10 times today while surounded by Leaf fans, and I even had some of them admit it was all shoulder. Kovy was 100% right, and it was so good to see a member of our team say that he is not going to be pushed around any more. Plus if it were a total cheap shot, Alex would have turtled when Tucker came after him. I believe it was more a way to instigate a fight than anything. Again just my thoughts, and my bias towards our only world class player in my books may be making me look at this with rose colored glasses on, but I do think it was not as dirty as thought. I believe if it was an elbow he would have been suspended for it, wouldn't you think so too?

habgirl · Guru

Nil, it may well have been on this side of a cheap shot, but I think it's one that Kovy had to take. Tucker had it coming by attempting to injure before Kovy's hit. Sometimes even the superstars have to send a message - and Kovy did just that.

It's nice to see our guys jumping up to defend one another (finally!). Let's carry that emotion as far as we can!

Nil d · Guru

habgirl wrote:

Nil, it may well have been on this side of a cheap shot, but I think it's one that Kovy had to take. Tucker had it coming by attempting to injure before Kovy's hit. Sometimes even the superstars have to send a message - and Kovy did just that. It's nice to see our guys jumping up to defend one another (finally!). Let's carry that emotion as far as we can!

Hey whether it was on this side or that side, I don't really care. This new invigorated Alexei Kovalev gets me excited! And just in time for the playoff push - and the playoffs themselves!

Oh, and by the way, HG, if John doesn't want that hug, can I have it? I'd hate to see it go to waste.

Key Lime · Guru

heet_150 wrote:

barry33 wrote: I do not condone, nor am I making light of, what Kovalev did. However, mere seconds earlier it was ALMOST the other way around. And yes, had Tucker connected with his elbow first, we all would have been up in arms here.Kovalev made a stand, right or wrong. And it sent a message to every team in the league but, more importantly, it sent a message to the guys on the Habs bench. So although as you put it, it was a "fight in the last 3 minutes of the game", I guarantee you that the impression left in that dressingroom will last the rest of the year, IMHO. I do condone Kovalev's actions. He was provoked. If Tucker wants to live by the sword, then the little pr**k had best be prepared to die by the sword. Had Tucker connected on his attempt to take Kovalev's head off, it would have been an unprovoked attack. Kovalev was merely retaliating. Of course, his teammates should have reacted before he had to.

What is this condoning. I do not condone etc...This IS HOCKEY. Already the league has set new guidelines where players can hardly breathe on each other. Helmets, visors, robocop equipment. If you don't let the players have a chance to handle themselves through a scrap here and there, that's when you'll see players become more and more frustrated and it will lead to much more violent acts. Who cares if it's Kovalev, Koivu or Perezhogin? This is hockey. If they want to fight their own battles, let them. At least Kovalev has the stones to do it. If they get hurt in the process, it was their decision and they then have the choice if they ever want to do it again. I guarantee if the refs were not in the way, Tucker would of eaten some fist food too.

BTW Tucker admitted after the game that it was all good and it's part of the game. Why? Because it just is. Why change it? The NHL takes a look at all the borderline incidents and decides whether they need to take diciplinary action. If Kovy hit Crosby like that, he may of gotten a couple of games but it was Tucker, the weasel with the reputation that follows. This is hockey.

You know what else is ridiculous...I've waited for this day to happen. The day that the Habs send out a message throughout the league that they can't be pushed around anymore and we're worrying if we condone Kovy's hit or not. My only problem is that the player Kovy hit was Tucker...I wished it would of been Domi, the hit that may have ended his career, if it's not already over.

...just random thoughts for me too Barry...great post, once again.

habgirl · Guru

You betcha Nil!

plouf · Guru

Great post Barry!

That hit was key, as was even Ribeiro's "fight", the emergence of Huet and Higgins, the valiant return of Markov, etc...

And they managed to survive being tired and having a crappy netminder to beat the bugbear Pens. Things look pretty good at the moment, especially with Jersey going cold all of a sudden.

Plus, goals. Finally, goals. Brings the fun back.

Habtastic · Guru

I'm with ya' too, Barry. The question I have is why Tucker, who threw elbows at Komi and Kovi, does not get a suspension? Does the person have to get injured for the league to send a message? We could have had two players out for the season with those actions, but the league says nothing to a guy who has a history of this stuff. They can make all the rule changes they want, but it will still look like bush league to the masses (and they would be right) if they don't get rid of head-hunting.

Habtastic

doodie · Veteran Member

Key Lime wrote:

Wow my nipples have gotten hard. Thanks Barry...good post

keylime thats waaaaaaay to funny ,i'm still laughing great response ha ha ha

barry33 · Guru

Habtastic wrote:

I'm with ya' too, Barry. The question I have is why Tucker, who threw elbows at Komi and Kovi, does not get a suspension? Does the person have to get injured for the league to send a message? We could have had two players out for the season with those actions, but the league says nothing to a guy who has a history of this stuff. They can make all the rule changes they want, but it will still look like bush league to the masses (and they would be right) if they don't get rid of head-hunting. Habtastic

Habby- as much as I HATE Tucker, I respect him in many ways. I met him when he was out of JR and playing in Frederictonon for the baby habs. He was actually a nice guy off the ice. Yes he is a pest. Yes he is a pain. But I would LOVE to have that guy back in the Blue, Rouge et Blanc. One thing I DO respect about him is the fact that he handles himself well in the interviews. You did not hear him calling for Kovalev's head after the game the other night. Quite the contrary. He knows it is part of the game and he had it coming to him. I don't care what uniform he wears..I respect a guy that has teh canoles to admit that.

Habtastic · Guru

I agree Barry... I will go on record to say I wish we had never traded him. I would have liked a 4th line of Tucker, Scott Thornton, and Turner Stevenson back in those days and to see how effective a player he has become... my only concern is for the image of the league, and even more so, the health of the players. The NHL has to do a better job of protecting both; even if the action is done by someone from our own team.

Habtastic

Nil d · Guru

Habtastic wrote:

I agree Barry... I will go on record to say I wish we had never traded him. I would have liked a 4th line of Tucker, Scott Thornton, and Turner Stevenson back in those days and to see how effective a player he has become... my only concern is for the image of the league, and even more so, the health of the players. The NHL has to do a better job of protecting both; even if the action is done by someone from our own team. Habtastic

Wasn't Turner Stevenson just put on waivers last week?

I would take him instead of either Downey or Murray, I think.

plouf · Guru

Nil d wrote:

Habtastic wrote: I agree Barry... I will go on record to say I wish we had never traded him. I would have liked a 4th line of Tucker, Scott Thornton, and Turner Stevenson back in those days and to see how effective a player he has become... my only concern is for the image of the league, and even more so, the health of the players. The NHL has to do a better job of protecting both; even if the action is done by someone from our own team. Habtastic Wasn't Turner Stevenson just put on waivers last week? I would take him instead of either Downey or Murray, I think.

Murray's not half bad. I don't ever notice Downey much, but he has a reputation as a guy you don't want to mess with.

Murray will do what it takes to be a regular in the NHL. Perfect 4th liner.

As for Turner Stevenson, he is so inconsistent with his effort (or at least he was as a Hab), I don't miss him at all.

-- Edited by plouf at 09:32, 2006-03-28

skov1044 · Member

im starting to like murray

i like his toughness,his hustle plus he surprised the hell our of me when he split the leafs defense down the middle with his speed

i didnt realize how quick he was

Nil d · Guru

skov1044 wrote:

im starting to like murray i like his toughness,his hustle plus he surprised the hell our of me when he split the leafs defense down the middle with his speed i didnt realize how quick he was

Yes, Murray does have some offensive upside - that's what I liked about Turner Stevenson too (although he might be too old now). Murray drives to the net and gets the occasional tip-in. The rest of the Hab forwards should do that more.

I have not seen anything to like in Downey yet.

24 Rings · Guru

Murray has fit in quite nicely. The best part about him is when the boys on RDS pronounce his name:

"Gart Mur-reeee"

Habtastic · Guru

Yup, I like Murray a lot, as well. He is the perfect insurance player. That line I mentioned would have been good in the 90's, but I wouldn't want them in the new NHL. Maybe Tucker, even less so Thornton, but not Stevenson.

Habtastic