The Truth

Habtastic · Guru

RE: The Truth

MC Girl · Guru

brooklynhabfan wrote:

MC Girl wrote: It's like Theo.... no longer an issue, so why keep bringing it up? One thing we need to do to turn things around is face reality, and analyse what mistakes were made that got us stuck where we are. How can we do that without bringing up the past? It's like ignoring WWII...

You're comparing what happened to Claude & Theo to WWII? What mistakes of their's need to be analysed now? & how would it help us?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

TheoDoor · Member

Totally agree MC Girl, even if you were watching Theo shovel his walk

No class = perpetual and shameless name dropping.

MC Girl · Guru

TheoDoor wrote:

Totally agree MC Girl, even if you were watching Theo shovel his walk No class = perpetual and shameless name dropping.

Yeah... he uses Windsor salt,,,

You silly goose.

24 Rings · Guru

brooklynhabfan wrote:

Andy wrote: Barry you and CJ should get a room. Get over it , this guy got fired two months ago. Wow, Barry was nice enough to be supportive of one of your first (and still few) posts. Plus he's a personal friend of the guy... Like school in summer... No class!!

I respect that barry is good buddies with Claude Julien and I can kind of see that barry has this defacto grandfather aura-thing going on here and posters typically don't take shots at him and I can understand that. You usually have pretty insightful things to say. However, I can do without the CJ name dropping all the time. I think we all know that he's your buddy.

brooklynhabfan · Guru

Habtastic wrote:

Wondered if that might be misunderstood! I was absolutely agreeing with you and adding a double-entendre for a few others. Adding a pun to a pun. :)

Habtastic

No! Fat Albert is the original author of the "no class" quote, as well as HeyHEYHEY!!!

Maybe too old a reference?

MC Girl · Guru

brooklynhabfan wrote:

Habtastic wrote: Wondered if that might be misunderstood! I was absolutely agreeing with you and adding a double-entendre for a few others. Adding a pun to a pun. :) Habtastic No! Fat Albert is the original author of the "no class" quote, as well as HeyHEYHEY!!! Maybe too old a reference?

I got it & thought it was funny.

Muller93 · Guru

Saku11 wrote:

Its not all Koivu's fault, But He has majority of the Blame.

Oh good lord man. What are we here, the Brady bunch? These are grown men. Grown men who already have a value system in place which will dictate their work ethic.

Unfortunately this team has guys that are not followers. Guys that are hero's in their own mind...but who are really zero's( ie Ribeiro, Kovalev, Zednick). Tough to lead grown men with full blown ego's.

Habtastic · Guru

brooklynhabfan wrote:

Habtastic wrote:

Wondered if that might be misunderstood! I was absolutely agreeing with you and adding a double-entendre for a few others. Adding a pun to a pun. :)

Habtastic

No! Fat Albert is the original author of the "no class" quote, as well as HeyHEYHEY!!!

Maybe too old a reference?

Oh! I knew the "Hey! Hey! Hey!", but not the "No class" part. Fat Albert was just running its course when I was old enough to watch and remember it... :)
Not saying y'all are old or anything... hehehe

Habtastic

rwp2le · Guru

skov1044 wrote:

the bottom line is we are asking something from koivu that he simply cannot provide he is not a captain ,he is not a 1st line center

Bravo, a team without a first line center is not much of a team.

mdmrules · Member

I totally agree John... this has been a bit of a dramatic year in montreal so all things considered the fact that they are still in a playoff race is a GOOD thing... at this point they still have a realistic shot at making the playoffs, so if the scoring comes around we are golden! I mean my god how many "proven" NHL players do have on this team? the list is short I can assure you.

habgirl · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

Oh good lord man. What are we here, the Brady bunch? These are grown men. Grown men who already have a value system in place which will dictate their work ethic. Unfortunately this team has guys that are not followers. Guys that are hero's in their own mind...but who are really zero's( ie Ribeiro, Kovalev, Zednick). Tough to lead grown men with full blown ego's.

Exactly my point in another thread - kind of hard to lead by example or motivate your team when you haven't got the tools in place to gel the team. I think there are too many guys in this d-room that cannot, or will not, take constructive criticism or buy into "play as a team" mentality.

24 Rings · Guru

Habgirl, how can I argue with you?

We still have time! The leaves games are the tests of how bad these brats want it.

norskipaul · Senior Member

Who's Fat Albert?

brooklynhabfan · Guru

norskipaul wrote:

Who's Fat Albert?

He's the fat one...

plouf · Guru

John M made a good point.
Things have snowballed.

Would everyone agree that Theo deserves a huge part of the blame for this season?
Ok sure....
Would everyone agree that maybe Julien deserves SOME of the blame for not getting the team to function consistently, and as a unit? Ok, probably some.
Would everyone agree that Kovalev has been disappointing? Ok.
Would everyone agree that Koivu is not providing the play or example we hope from him, at the very least in the second half? Ok...
Would everyone agree that certain players (Souray, Ribeiro, Bonk, Zednik) didn't even show up until halfway through the season? Ok....
As for Gainey, I'm sure we won't come to an agreement, because this is still contentious but it's at least POSSIBLE that he hasn't performed very well either.

So here we are.
Seems POINTLESS to zero in on one catch-all problem with this team, be it coaching, the captain, etc....there are a bunch of problems that mutually reinforce one another. If we only had one problem, the positives would cancel it out.

Take Buffalo. There are a lot of weaknesses theoretically in that lineup. But a lot of good things working together cancel it out, make people overachieve, play together. Sometimes it's a kind of momentum. This group sure didn't play like that last season. Same coach. Same mediocre-looking lineup. Things have clicked this year.

Clearly we are better since Theo is no longer our goalie, so that's ONE problem solved. But we are still not very good, just better. The amazing thing is that we are still in the playoff hunt.