Get rid of Aebischer

habgirl · Guru

RE: Get rid of Aebischer

MC Girl · Guru

Figaro wrote:

Yikes, great stuff - like the old days with some of the bitter rivals on the board. Love it. Remember where Abby is coming from - he is adjusting to a totally different system in front of him. No Blake and co. to clear his bad rebouds. Ever change employer? I mean, even if you are playing a game of cards with a partner, you have to learn how your teammates play. Skill alone can only get you so far. And stop comparing Theo to Roy. Roy had 2 cups, was the best goalie for a while. Theo is no Roy and never will be. Abby is just like 10 other goalies in the league. So whether or not he's in town next year, or Huet for that matter, is no concern because they can easily be replaced. So, I for one, see the sense of why Theo is gone and look forward to the pieces we replace im with. If we get a guy who can pot some goals, then we can settle for a goalie who is "less-good" than Theo. We can pick up a solid forward and d-man and we have depth in goal in the system, so no worries here. Now stop yelling at eachother.

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I compared the two (Theo & Roy)'cause they are 2 French goalies from Montreal who were traded without any hint that it would happen to them, not because they play at the same level.

& Roy had 2 cups because he kept the pucks outta the net... I don't take that from him. But he didn't win by himself either! Do we have a team now like he did then? Nope... it's like apples & oranges... so you "stop comparing the two" yourself.

& what's this "learn how the team plays" stuff???? The puck goes at the net.... you move your body or limbs to stop it from entering.
We (the Habs) aren't the ones shooting on him... he's not stopping our shots.... He's stopping the opposing players shots & he's played against these players before.

He's doing the same job he had before isn't he? He's not going from defense to goalie or anything like that. If I build houses with one company for a living & change to another company(for whatever reason)... I don't forget how to build houses!!!!

Saku11 · Senior Member

Guys...gals.....Aebischer is a good goalie. He just needs to get Comfortable...everyone has bad days....bad games.. I Think saturdays loss should be blamed at gainey! Iam not rocket scientist but , if i see my new goalie from a recent trade has a shaky start to a game, allowing very easy goals and stumbling on the ice, I Would have pulled him in the 1st intermission. I would think gainey would have been smarter than that. But you know the truth is Gainey was a hell of a player...no doubt.. Be he is not a good coach nor a GM. Sorry

MC Girl · Guru

heet_150 wrote:

MC Girl wrote: What-has-Abby-do-for-me-lately? He helped Gainey free up 4.5 million plus dollars in cap space.

& that helps us now how????? & Abby is helping us how?????

MC Girl · Guru

Saku11 wrote:

Guys...gals.....Aebischer is a good goalie. He just needs to get Comfortable...everyone has bad days....bad games.. I Think saturdays loss should be blamed at gainey! Iam not rocket scientist but , if i see my new goalie from a recent trade has a shaky start to a game, allowing very easy goals and stumbling on the ice, I Would have pulled him in the 1st intermission. I would think gainey would have been smarter than that. But you know the truth is Gainey was a hell of a player...no doubt.. Be he is not a good coach nor a GM. Sorry

You hit the nail on the head with that!!!! I couldn't agree more.

Now is not the time to get him "comfortable" we are risking our entire year & with no hockey last year... I'd hate to see the season end sooooo soon.

-- Edited by MC Girl at 14:51, 2006-03-20

heet_150 · Guru

MC Girl wrote:

heet_150 wrote: MC Girl wrote: What-has-Abby-do-for-me-lately? He helped Gainey free up 4.5 million plus dollars in cap space. & that helps us now how????? & Abby is helping us how?????

Aebischer certainly isn't doing any less than Theodore. Even if his heel was okay.

MC Girl · Guru

heet_150 wrote:

MC Girl wrote: heet_150 wrote: MC Girl wrote: What-has-Abby-do-for-me-lately? He helped Gainey free up 4.5 million plus dollars in cap space. & that helps us now how????? & Abby is helping us how????? Aebischer certainly isn't doing any less than Theodore. Even if his heel was okay.

Was Theo in net for us on Saturday????

Theo is GONE!!!! Stop beating a dead horse.

This is about Playoffs!!!! or lack there of.

-- Edited by MC Girl at 14:54, 2006-03-20

brooklynhabfan · Guru

MC Girl wrote:

Now is not the time to get him "comfortable" we are risking our entire year & with no hockey last year... I'd hate to see the season end sooooo soon.-- Edited by MC Girl at 14:51, 2006-03-20

Sorry, but do you really think we have a "year" to risk. Any playoff chances we have are through attrition not intention.

We barely have a cohesive line and a half, no D, and Goaltending which might very well evaporate at the end of the season.

So instead of blowing a fuse about it, why not see this as another step in the (right? wrong? sideways?) direction and sharpen your footnote-writing pencil, as everything discussed on this topic will surely be just that...

MC Girl · Guru

brooklynhabfan wrote:

MC Girl wrote: Now is not the time to get him "comfortable" we are risking our entire year & with no hockey last year... I'd hate to see the season end sooooo soon.-- Edited by MC Girl at 14:51, 2006-03-20 Sorry, but do you really think we have a "year" to risk. Any playoff chances we have are through attrition not intention. We barely have a cohesive line and a half, no D, and Goaltending which might very well evaporate at the end of the season. So instead of blowing a fuse about it, why not see this as another step in the (right? wrong? sideways?) direction and sharpen your footnote-writing pencil, as everything discussed on this topic will surely be just that...

Well why bother watching hockey for the rest of the season then? If you are not in one of the top spots then you won't play well in the playoffs????

The regular season means nothing, it's the playoffs that matter. It's like starting with a clean slate. Anything can happen in the playoffs. You just have to make it to the playoffs to get the chance. Who knows, Gainey might stop shuffling lines, those who aren't trying has hard to score might try harder in the playoffs, those who aren't defending well now might start doing their job in the playoffs?

You're already packing in our team for the season & it's not even over. We have talent on our team.... lots of it, we just need to harness our skills as a team.

24 Rings · Guru

MC, I would think that you know that you can't play Huet for the last 20 or so games of the season. He's not Kiprusoff, Brodeur or Luongo who can log 70+ games in a season. You could see in the Philly game that he was starting to fatigue. I think the logic was to start Aebischer against the worst team in the league at home, to try to get him into the groove before the play-offs. If Huet goes down with injury, whether you like it or not, it's Abby that is going to be shouldering the load and not Danis. The guy had a couple of crap starts, but don't give up on him yet.

Love your outright rage on the subject though. We need some passion and opinions on here to mix it up a bit- it's gotten pretty dull lately.

MC Girl · Guru

24 Rings wrote:

MC, I would think that you know that you can't play Huet for the last 20 or so games of the season. He's not Kiprusoff, Brodeur or Luongo who can log 70+ games in a season. You could see in the Philly game that he was starting to fatigue. I think the logic was to start Aebischer against the worst team in the league at home, to try to get him into the groove before the play-offs. If Huet goes down with injury, whether you like it or not, it's Abby that is going to be shouldering the load and not Danis. The guy had a couple of crap starts, but don't give up on him yet. Love your outright rage on the subject though. We need some passion and opinions on here to mix it up a bit- it's gotten pretty dull lately.

So why can't we call up Danis for backup help??? He's rockin' for the Bulldogs, he might rock for us too.

24 Rings · Guru

I think that you gotta go with a proven starting NHL goaltender. Despite his poor performances the past 2 games I would still rather start him than somone unproved at this level.

MC Girl · Guru

24 Rings wrote:

I think that you gotta go with a proven starting NHL goaltender. Despite his poor performances the past 2 games I would still rather start him than somone unproved at this level.

We are all intitled to our opinions.

24 Rings · Guru

Thats what this thing is for. If we all agreed, then it would be really boring.

TheoDoor · Member

MC,
Not sure where your obsessive loyalty to Theo stems from but your comments suggest you've perhaps been spending too much time stalking him while he salts the driveway ?? The points made about Theo's off-ice issues is mostly accurate, including his choice of endorsement ventures etc. He loves the spotlight and he ended up being crucified because of these blemishes, justified or not. At the end of the day, I have a hard time seeing how anyone CAN'T see the huge advantage we gained by dumping Theo's contract, even if Abby is just an average goaltender.

ps. 2 minutes for abusive use of BOLD FONT !!

MC Girl · Guru

TheoDoor wrote:

MC, Not sure where your obsessive loyalty to Theo stems from but your comments suggest you've perhaps been spending too much time stalking him while he salts the driveway ?? The points made about Theo's off-ice issues is mostly accurate, including his choice of endorsement ventures etc. He loves the spotlight and he ended up being crucified because of these blemishes, justified or not. At the end of the day, I have a hard time seeing how anyone CAN'T see the huge advantage we gained by dumping Theo's contract, even if Abby is just an average goaltender. ps. 2 minutes for abusive use of BOLD FONT !!

I apologize for the bold font. I was typing it up in my email, then cutting & pasting onto the post page. My email font is automatically set to "Bold Print, Comic Sans MS". I did this because, sometimes I would go back in my blog to correct spelling or add something & it would erase a permanent letter for every extra letter I typed, & it was getting annoying. This just seems easier.

As for liking Theo.... Geeze, I'm a habs fan through & through. How dare you be sooo insulting as to suggest that I stalk Theo. I don't even live in Quebec!!!

My husband and I subscribe to all the hockey mags & the NHL package on Expressview, we get the email updates from their website sent to us etc. Forgive me for being knowledgeable on the everyday lives of the players in Montreal. I like to read everything (not just hockey crap either) & we are passionate about the Habs. We watch almost every game on TV & for the ones we don't, we sit front row every time they come around our neighborhood. A true fan wants to know about the team & it's players. Maybe you don't but I know we aren't the only ones who do.

& Hello!!!! I in no way said I didn't agree with getting rid of Theo. He needed to go. It's obvious. We now have a large pool of money to better our team... uh huh! I know, I get that. (Doesn't help us now though) But when you make such a trade straight up for another Goalie who is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year (who might not stay with us).... it seems we've given Theo away for nothing. Theo could have been used as leverage to help us get a great player(s). Maybe a stronger defense, or a goal scorer, or even a scrapper. These area's needed way more help @ the time of the trade deadline.

Instead, here we sit, still with the same goaltending issues, still with the same old issues with our on ice play & Gainey is struggling to even make sense of the lines.

So forgive me, I feel he is making our future look bleak.

MC Girl · Guru

24 Rings wrote:

Thats what this thing is for. If we all agreed, then it would be really boring.

You couldn't be speaking truer words

Thanks for writing me.

The Kahuna · Guru

MC Girl wrote:

Do you know of any other teams in the NHL that have fans like we have???

Well, I'm an ex Montrealer living just outside of Toronto and I can tell you the Leaf fans here are the worst bandwagon jumpers I've ever seen. Montreal fans can be harsh and unforgiving, but that's just an offshoot of living in a city that is home to the greatest sports team in modern history

MC Girl · Guru

The Kahuna wrote:

MC Girl wrote: Do you know of any other teams in the NHL that have fans like we have??? Well, I'm an ex Montrealer living just outside of Toronto and I can tell you the Leaf fans here are the worst bandwagon jumpers I've ever seen. Montreal fans can be harsh and unforgiving, but that's just an offshoot of living in a city that is home to the greatest sports team in modern history

I couldn't agree with you more All the Leaf fans stopped watching the games period for a while around here. (I live in the Niagara region) All the Leafs shirts, jackets, hats & jerseys were no where to be seen. It was a glorious time But they are coming back out of the woodworks & are very cocky with the fact they are trailing closely behind.

Could you imagine if they made it & we didn't?

Lord it sucks living so close to Toronto when your team is Montreal. LOL

24 Rings · Guru

As to the greatest sports team in the modern era, the New York Yankees fans may have something to say about that.

My family is all from Montreal and I go back there several times every year (3 times last year) to visit and catch a few games. When I talk to friends and so-called "fans" in Montreal a lot of them have no real idea what is going on with the team. I even found this when talking with some "fans" in the pubs (and these people have jerseys on) before and after games. As much as Montrealers love the Habs, I know for a fact that they are generally as flaky about jumping on the bandwagon as Leafs fans. I am not talking about the true die-hard fans or anyone on this site, but when the team is bad, that city is ALL over them - same with Toronto. When things are good, everyone is a fan - same as Toronto. Not saying that Habs fans are like Leafs fans because that would be just be insane, but there is some flakiness in that city to be sure.

Even this site has some flakiness to it and I am just as guilty. We all criticize and point fingers when we're losing, but are extoling the virtues of the team when we're winning. And the best part is, is that it see-saws the other way within a few days!!!

MC Girl · Guru

24 Rings wrote:

As to the greatest sports team in the modern era, the New York Yankees fans may have something to say about that. My family is all from Montreal and I go back there several times every year (3 times last year) to visit and catch a few games. When I talk to friends and so-called "fans" in Montreal a lot of them have no real idea what is going on with the team. I even found this when talking with some "fans" in the pubs (and these people have jerseys on) before and after games. As much as Montrealers love the Habs, I know for a fact that they are generally as flaky about jumping on the bandwagon as Leafs fans. I am not talking about the true die-hard fans or anyone on this site, but when the team is bad, that city is ALL over them - same with Toronto. When things are good, everyone is a fan - same as Toronto. Not saying that Habs fans are like Leafs fans because that would be just be insane, but there is some flakiness in that city to be sure. Even this site has some flakiness to it and I am just as guilty. We all criticize and point fingers when we're losing, but are extoling the virtues of the team when we're winning. And the best part is, is that it see-saws the other way within a few days!!!

LOL O.k. How about the Greatest Hockey team??? I'll narrow down the sport for The Kahuna. Unfortunately, we can't say we are the best hockey team of the century anymore & that's sad.

But still, the sports broadcasters on television (not just for the games, but in the news) in Montreal are way worse. They slam the team & attack their performance. In Toronto (mainly speaking of CityTV) they spend all their time making up excuses for their team & standing up for the ones that perform poorly. I've heard every excuse this year as to why Belfour stunk it up in Toronto & they continue to stick up for Quinn, even when the fans are against him.

Although, I guess I'd rather have the broadcasters speak the truth rather than make excuses for us. So in a way, the negativity is appreciated.

Also, Toronto fans do not boo their own team during the home games. I think that it's really SSSAAADDD that we do. It's one thing to be disappointed & / or frustrated, but to boo your own players as opposed to booing the opponent..... that's even more disappointing & / or frustrating, and I'm sure the players would agree.

But in the end, I guess Fair-weather fans are everywhere, in all the sports. They're just not as vocal as we seem to be.

The Kahuna · Guru

24 Rings wrote:

As to the greatest sports team in the modern era, the New York Yankees fans may have something to say about that.

Hey now I did say a sports team not a club for fat old guys like MLB

I knew when I typed that I'd be hearing about the Yankees

The Kahuna · Guru

MC Girl wrote:

I couldn't agree with you more All the Leaf fans stopped watching the games period for a while around here. (I live in the Niagara region) All the Leafs shirts, jackets, hats & jerseys were no where to be seen. It was a glorious time But they are coming back out of the woodworks & are very cocky with the fact they are trailing closely behind.
Could you imagine if they made it & we didn't?
Lord it sucks living so close to Toronto when your team is Montreal. LOL

I know, it's been so great the last few weeks...I can't say I've seen one Leaf flag on a car this year! When the loafs are on any kind of roll at all the bandwagon jumpers install their leaf flags and it drives me crazy.

I have the best lifetime bet going with my Leaf fan buddy who lives in Halifax. I bet him $100.00 that the Habs will win another cup before the Leafs do...I've gotta believe that's the safest bet in sports history

The Kahuna · Guru

MC Girl wrote:

You show me where in the contract it states... "A you must take horrific abuse from the fans & media, you & your family have agreed to have all your families personal business aired out in public for you to be fully responsible for & publicly rebuked for... even though it's not you... it's them" etc....

I was, and am a big Theo fan(just look at the sweater number I'm wearing in my avatar ), but part of being a high paid pro athelete is dealing with the fans abuse as well as the media. If the media was so brutal to Theo, he could have done like many other pros have done, stopped talking to them and stop reading their articles and watching their news. Some time things just go wrong for an athelete in a city, it's happened to others and a change is needed. The Habs have always been a brutally hard team on French Canadian goalies. I really hate that fact, but Theo was not the first (Roy, Thibault, Plante, Vachon, Laroque, Plasse to name a few) nor will he be the last.

-- Edited by The Kahuna at 23:01, 2006-03-20

Jay1982 · Guru

MC Girl wrote:

Jay1982 wrote:
I can give you about 5.5 million reasons why I would rather have Abby behind Huet.

I see your point Jay, Theo was given away & we saved 5.5 mil. What did Gainey spend the 5.5 on???? Nothing at all. That strategy won't get us a cup any time soon, & maybe not even a playoff spot.
Abby vs Theo..... Time will tell

Just cause Gainet didn't immediately replace 5.5 mil worth in players at the trade deadline doesn't mean we didn't get anything. We got cap room for the next 3 years, and lots of it to play around in during this offseason.

Kendich · Veteran Member

MC, what I find quite ironic is that you think Theo will bounce back after such a long terrible year whereas in Abby's situation, after only 2 games in a new city he is already deemed a bust.

rwp2le · Guru

Kendich wrote:

MC, what I find quite ironic is that you think Theo will bounce back after such a long terrible year whereas in Abby's situation, after only 2 games in a new city he is already deemed a bust.

Abby has had a terrible year, he may have won 7 in a row 2 times this year, but at look at the team in front of him. Joel Quenville said it when he traded him that the guy went through stints where he couldn't stop beach balls. As for for Theo bouncing back, not likely. He had his moment, and now it has passed. Time for his new career as a spokesman for the hair club for men. Not only is he the president, but he is also a client.

MC Girl · Guru

Kendich wrote:

MC, what I find quite ironic is that you think Theo will bounce back after such a long terrible year whereas in Abby's situation, after only 2 games in a new city he is already deemed a bust.

With us being soooo close to losing our Playoff spot.... YEP! I think the Abby's a giant bust w/the way he's played.

Does me thinking Theo will come back to his game in Col. help us in the Playoffs? NOPE!

Forgive me for hoping for the best for someone who had been on our team for soooo many years & actually did us proud for a while, as opposed to cheering for a guy who has only played 2 games with us & screwed both of them up royally, at a time we need the wins the most, and may not even be with us long enough to care about.

Fact is Fact... & Abby's played like Crap! Accept it & move on.

MC Girl · Guru

rwp2le wrote:

Kendich wrote: MC, what I find quite ironic is that you think Theo will bounce back after such a long terrible year whereas in Abby's situation, after only 2 games in a new city he is already deemed a bust. Abby has had a terrible year, he may have won 7 in a row 2 times this year, but at look at the team in front of him. Joel Quenville said it when he traded him that the guy went through stints where he couldn't stop beach balls. As for for Theo bouncing back, not likely. He had his moment, and now it has passed. Time for his new career as a spokesman for the hair club for men. Not only is he the president, but he is also a client.

Hey, Theo could make millions endorsing that medication. Have you seen the head of hair that little bugger has? Hell, I'd take the meds if it made my hair as long & strong as his.

Vanity is bad, but when you look that good.... who cares how he does it.

And as for the hair club crack hun!!! If & when his career in the NHL is over, he'll still make millions because of it, he'll be the poster boy for the company. You yourself might want to see a doctor re: Propecia babe.

Nil d · Guru

MC Girl wrote:

Hey, Theo could make millions endorsing that medication. Have you seen the head of hair that little bugger has? Hell, I'd take the meds if it made my hair as long & strong as his. Vanity is bad, but when you look that good.... who cares how he does it. And as for the hair club crack hun!!! If & when his career in the NHL is over, he'll still make millions because of it, he'll be the poster boy for the company. You yourself might want to see a doctor re: Propecia babe.

Hey guys, keep your personal stuff at home where it belongs...........