Only one deal makes me question Bob's 'smarts'...

Hkydude_77 · Member

RE: Only one deal makes me question Bob's 'smarts'...

skov1044 · Member

Hkydude_77 wrote:

Kvasha is 6'5 and 230lb stiff. Don't just look at size & stats - Mariusz Czerkawski scored 35 one year....................

u hit the nail on the coffin

i live in ny ,i have watched many games and have spoke to many islander fans they coldnt wait to get rid of him

everyone says the problem with the islanders is kvasha and yashin

plouf · Guru

AB Habman wrote:

wright wrote:
Ando wrote: Oleg Kvasha (a 27 year-old Centreman who is 6'5'' 230lbs and a right-handed shooter) was dealt by the NYI's to the Phoenix Coyotes for a 3rd round pick! The guy has 20 goal scorer...and 2nd line centreman...written ALLLLLLLL over him...OR AT LEAST a very reasonable risk worth taking! ...now do you all mean to tell And-o that the Habs couldn't have trumped that offer with a 2nd rounder??? Gaw'd...stuff like that just makes And-o wanna gag!!! And-o will suck-it-up for now...but THAT is tough to take!!! Every year at the trade deadline it seems that a bunch of marginal players are traded and made out to be the second coming of a superstar, or a player that can make the difference and put the team over the top, which in a majority of cases does not occur. Kvasha is another example. The guy is 27 in the prime of his carear and has never shown on any basis that he is much more than a third line player. Never scored more than 15 goals in aseason, has a deserved reputation for having a lousy work ethic, and can go into long periods of time where he does little on the ice. So as a third line center who would you rather have Thomas Plekanec who is younger and more upside, or Kvasha? Not a hard choice to make. Trade deadline deals for the most part are overrated, seldom do the incoming players make a significant impact on the teams fortunes. Unless the team is in serious contention to win the cup, then the addition of arole player may help. where the Canadiens are at this point in time, how much of a difference would Recchi make, or a Keith Carney? A little improvement, yes but enough to vault the Canadiens into legitimate contenders this year for the cup, no. Gainey did not trade away the future, cleared salary to have great room for well thought moves in the off season, not rushed short term fixes that will not cure the weaknesses of the team at this moment.

Good post Wright but you have to admit it's a gamble not to improve the team at least a little!
What if we miss the playoffs by a couple points? We then lose millions of revenue! It's one thing to build for the future but you still have to make the playoffs when your that close!

We did improve the team a little. We picked up some depth and toughness with Simpson, and we have another playable goalie. I admit it doesn't exactly solve the team's biggest needs (big scoring forward, better defensemen in general) but if the players we have keep doing what they've been doing lately, I don't think we need to do much. This is not the year for the cup, but I'm pretty sure we'll make the playoffs.

Note: Last 10 games. 6-1-3,
7 of those games on the road.
Goals for: 36 (avg. 3.60 per game)
Goals against: 22 (avg. 2.20 per game)

I know we could do a lot better offensively, but we can't really complain about 3.6 per game. Imagine if our scorers were finishing more chances (I'm thinking about Zednik and Ryder especially, but could include Koivu, Perezhogin, Bulis, Plekanec even Kovalev and Ribeiro)...

Also: Bouillon looks like he did early this season. Great! And Markov bounced back last night. Souray very hot at the moment, playing with confidence. Bonk, Begin, Plekanec all looked excellent on the PK. Huet another shutout. We can hardly ask for more...

Key Lime · Guru

plouf wrote:

AB Habman wrote: wright wrote: Ando wrote: Oleg Kvasha (a 27 year-old Centreman who is 6'5'' 230lbs and a right-handed shooter) was dealt by the NYI's to the Phoenix Coyotes for a 3rd round pick! The guy has 20 goal scorer...and 2nd line centreman...written ALLLLLLLL over him...OR AT LEAST a very reasonable risk worth taking! ...now do you all mean to tell And-o that the Habs couldn't have trumped that offer with a 2nd rounder??? Gaw'd...stuff like that just makes And-o wanna gag!!! And-o will suck-it-up for now...but THAT is tough to take!!! Every year at the trade deadline it seems that a bunch of marginal players are traded and made out to be the second coming of a superstar, or a player that can make the difference and put the team over the top, which in a majority of cases does not occur. Kvasha is another example. The guy is 27 in the prime of his carear and has never shown on any basis that he is much more than a third line player. Never scored more than 15 goals in aseason, has a deserved reputation for having a lousy work ethic, and can go into long periods of time where he does little on the ice. So as a third line center who would you rather have Thomas Plekanec who is younger and more upside, or Kvasha? Not a hard choice to make. Trade deadline deals for the most part are overrated, seldom do the incoming players make a significant impact on the teams fortunes. Unless the team is in serious contention to win the cup, then the addition of arole player may help. where the Canadiens are at this point in time, how much of a difference would Recchi make, or a Keith Carney? A little improvement, yes but enough to vault the Canadiens into legitimate contenders this year for the cup, no. Gainey did not trade away the future, cleared salary to have great room for well thought moves in the off season, not rushed short term fixes that will not cure the weaknesses of the team at this moment. Good post Wright but you have to admit it's a gamble not to improve the team at least a little! What if we miss the playoffs by a couple points? We then lose millions of revenue! It's one thing to build for the future but you still have to make the playoffs when your that close! We did improve the team a little. We picked up some depth and toughness with Simpson, and we have another playable goalie. I admit it doesn't exactly solve the team's biggest needs (big scoring forward, better defensemen in general) but if the players we have keep doing what they've been doing lately, I don't think we need to do much. This is not the year for the cup, but I'm pretty sure we'll make the playoffs. Note: Last 10 games. 6-1-3, 7 of those games on the road. Goals for: 36 (avg. 3.60 per game) Goals against: 22 (avg. 2.20 per game) I know we could do a lot better offensively, but we can't really complain about 3.6 per game. Imagine if our scorers were finishing more chances (I'm thinking about Zednik and Ryder especially, but could include Koivu, Perezhogin, Bulis, Plekanec even Kovalev and Ribeiro)... Also: Bouillon looks like he did early this season. Great! And Markov bounced back last night. Souray very hot at the moment, playing with confidence. Bonk, Begin, Plekanec all looked excellent on the PK. Huet another shutout. We can hardly ask for more...

But you know as well as I do that most Habs fans do want more. Even when things are going well it's never enough. That's why Montreal is a distinct hockey society. The're the Yankees of hockey.

plouf · Guru

Agreed. We are the Yankees of hockey.
But we have never won by the Yankee route of acquiring all the best free agents and expensive players. We have always been about developing home grown talent first.
That said, I want Gainey to get a dominant player this summer. I don't know who's out there, but I'd like to see someone on the level of Forsberg. I guess I can dream...

skov1044 · Member

plouf wrote:

Agreed. We are the Yankees of hockey. But we have never won by the Yankee route of acquiring all the best free agents and expensive players. We have always been about developing home grown talent first. That said, I want Gainey to get a dominant player this summer. I don't know who's out there, but I'd like to see someone on the level of Forsberg. I guess I can dream...

yanks havent won either by acquiring the best free agents

once the yanks starting spending big money they havent won a world series