Horrible job by Our Gm

Tlinden99 · Newbie

Horrible job by Our Gm

Zulrath · Senior Member

Tyler Arnason is now a Sen

barry33 · Guru

Tlinden99 wrote:

plenty of players better than TODD SIMPSON out there and we didnt bite. Carney, Gauthier, Ozo, and Bert. To win you need to make things happen, and once again, "we'll wait till our players develop." I ve been hearing that for years now.

I do not want to hear anyone laughing about Ferguson JR's moves now.

24 Rings · Guru

Carney or Ozo - ok I'll give you those. Bertuzzi? Was never going to happen. Gauthier? Can lay a big hit, worse than Souray defensively. Almost all of the rumoured "big name" trades fell through anyhow. We're playing great hockey right now what more can you ask for?

Lets be real here, the goal for this team is to make the play-offs - they aren't really cup contenders this season. Their first round is going to be pure hell if they play Carolina or Ottawa (I would rather face Ottawa).

kshort23 · Member

Tlinden99 wrote:

plenty of players better than TODD SIMPSON out there and we didnt bite. Carney, Gauthier, Ozo, and Bert. To win you need to make things happen, and once again, "we'll wait till our players develop." I ve been hearing that for years now.

Gauthier - i wouldn't have gave up two second rounders and a prospect
Ozolinsh - not bad of a pick for the NYR who live and die on offence. However, its the last thing our team needs. Sure it would be great to have a puck moving defenceman, but i really don't think he would have helped us that much. 6 points in 17 games this season. Our team is already soft enough.
Carney - would have been a solid pickup, prob the best stay at home defenceman that was traded today.

Tlinden99 · Newbie

Oleg kvasha for a third round pick???? Come on gainey!!! great fit on the Kovy and Ribeiro line!!! GONE

Figaro · Guru

Gainey would have made any deal if it made the Habs better now and in the future. Face it, we could have gotten another player but still have little shot at winning the Cup this season. With that in mind and knowing that there are going to be some decent free agents this summer, I don't think BG let us down. Got a goalie who's been more consistant and cheaper than Theo, made room for our #1 draft pick and made room under the cap to buy a few guys this summer. We won't win the Cup this year but I think the wiggle room is better now.

Figaro · Guru

And everyone was over-priced for the most part anyway. Would you want to give 2 prospects and draft picks for a rental player? Carolina may be willing to but they can smell Lord Stanley.

Key Lime · Guru

Tlinden99 wrote:

plenty of players better than TODD SIMPSON out there and we didnt bite. Carney, Gauthier, Ozo, and Bert. To win you need to make things happen, and once again, "we'll wait till our players develop." I ve been hearing that for years now.

Horrible job. I laugh at the way you guys describe people's work. T, don't you think Gainey was up all night trying to better the hockey club? A carpenter can't build a masterpiece if he/she is missing some tools. Gainey had limited tools to work with. Everyone said that Theo's trade value was nil right up until the trade and he managed to get us an experienced goaltender that will fight to be #1 with Huet. We have more cap space now to go out an get a top center or a D-man in the off-season.

One question? What was the Habs' record before the changes in coaches and what is it now? We were going no where fast and now we have a shot.

brew · Member

Mtl cannot compete with the other team in our division without more scoring, Atlanta has a much better team up forward than we do so how are we supposed to stay in the playoff hunt??? Stupid move on Gainey's part not to get anything up front.

Jonny G · Senior Member

brew wrote:

Mtl cannot compete with the other team in our division without more scoring, Atlanta has a much better team up forward than we do so how are we supposed to stay in the playoff hunt??? Stupid move on Gainey's part not to get anything up front.

Silly thing to say. Defence and goaltending win cups (except Detroit with Osgoode). Look at Gainey and Carbo -- do you really think that they're going to sacrifice D for O? Arnason is a head case who is miserable defensively. Gainey has freed up tonnes of cap space for some serious off-season moves. A cup-winning team isn't built at the trade-deadline.

Dallas gave up way too much for Mitchell.

heet_150 · Guru

brew wrote:

Mtl cannot compete with the other team in our division without more scoring, Atlanta has a much better team up forward than we do so how are we supposed to stay in the playoff hunt??? Stupid move on Gainey's part not to get anything up front.

But give up what in return? They aren't going to the Cup Finals. I think everyone would be surprised if they made it to the second round (I think most of us are hopefull that they make the playoffs). I can't imagine a single reason to trade away either draft picks, prospects, or the young talent on this team just to get maybe an extra round in the playoffs. Just my

Key Lime · Guru

heet_150 wrote:

brew wrote: Mtl cannot compete with the other team in our division without more scoring, Atlanta has a much better team up forward than we do so how are we supposed to stay in the playoff hunt??? Stupid move on Gainey's part not to get anything up front. But give up what in return? They aren't going to the Cup Finals. I think everyone would be surprised if they made it to the second round (I think most of us are hopefull that they make the playoffs). I can't imagine a single reason to trade away either draft picks, prospects, or the young talent on this team just to get maybe an extra round in the playoffs. Just my

I think people are just hungry for news. They want to be shocked and entertained. Gainey's an idiot here and he's stupid for not doing this. Are you guys talking about the same Gainey I am. Whatever. Heet, you have a strong grasp of reality which some of these guys don't. I bet most of them read the Enquirer. They are frustrated because they have know idea what delayed gratification is. Thank heavens our GM does. THE ERA OF TRADING OUR FUTURE IS OVER!

Jonny G · Senior Member

Key Lime wrote:

I think people are just hungry for news. They want to be shocked and entertained. Gainey's an idiot here and he's stupid for not doing this. Are you guys talking about the same Gainey I am. Whatever. Heet, you have a strong grasp of reality which some of these guys don't. I bet most of them read the Enquirer. They are frustrated because they have know idea what delayed gratification is. Thank heavens our GM does. THE ERA OF TRADING OUR FUTURE IS OVER!

Great post. BG built a cup-winning team in Dallas -- but not at the trade-deadline.

Caper_hab_fan · Veteran Member

I see what your 2 cents mean, but i think all this comes down to the last ???years of rebuilding this team, so what, do you rebuild this team just to go from hoping to make the playoffs to.....hoping to make the playoffs. Obvioiusly something should happen soon, cause i'm not sure about you guys, but i'm tired of always worried if the habs are gonna make the playoffs or not. Wouldn't it be nice sitting in 3rd, 4th, 5th spot for a change. Getting home ice advantage for once, all this rebuilding is really getting us nowhere. (for now) Look at Komisarek and Phenuef. Both drafted high, both were talked up to be a great D man, and Phenuef is in his rookie season playing like he played in this league for 5 years, and our boy Komo is just starting to come around, and thats the problem, we have to many young talent, just starting to come around, but still unsure if they'll be anything more than 2nd/3rd liners. Its time for our draft picks to make a "big" impression on this team. Higgins, Ryder are exeptions however Ryder is a streaker.

Jay1982 · Guru

I love how people are complaining about the lack of movs coming from Gainey. What were people expecting? Yes it would have been nice to get a solid centerman. But not for just 2 or 3 months (rent-a-player). Gainey isn't gonna start throwing away younger players for people who won't stay long enough to unpack their boxes.

I like how there wasn't a single fire-sale this year. You know what that means? The teams at the bottom will get progressively better and we should have closer playoff runs in the future.

Key Lime · Guru

Jay1982 wrote:

I love how people are complaining about the lack of movs coming from Gainey. What were people expecting? Yes it would have been nice to get a solid centerman. But not for just 2 or 3 months (rent-a-player). Gainey isn't gonna start throwing away younger players for people who won't stay long enough to unpack their boxes. I like how there wasn't a single fire-sale this year. You know what that means? The teams at the bottom will get progressively better and we should have closer playoff runs in the future.

Music to my ears...keep it coming Jay

brew · Member

Ok, you say that cup are won with defense and goalie, ok , but you have to make it to the playoff first! And i'm sick of the "rebuilding" comments, we've been doing that for years now and we're still strugling for a spot in the playoffs. You can't win if you don't score goals and we're not scoring goals. Call me stupid or in need of a news shock but the fact remain that we may not allow too many goals but we score even less. Atlanta is coming on strong and will try hard to pass us, and their squedule is alot easier than ours is until the end of the season. I still think Gainey is a great GM , stupid for having missed the boat but maybe he see alot more about his players than i do. But i won't be surprised at all if we miss the playoffs

brew · Member

and.... go to RDS website, and 60% of 2300 people so far thinks the habs are not a better team after those trade......

Jay1982 · Guru

Numbers are misleading. Does that mean that the 60% think that habs were a better team BEFORE those trades? Cause face it, we didn't give up much in an injured theo who would not have bounced back in MTL.

Key Lime · Guru

brew wrote:

and.... go to RDS website, and 60% of 2300 people so far thinks the habs are not a better team after those trade......

I've been on that web-site as a poster for several months. I stopped because the majority of those posters just bitched at everything. Great hockey minds post on that site...cough cough!

I'm surprised it wasn't 85% of people. Brew most hockey analysts agree that due to the circumstances, it was a good trade but you go with the masses...go with the RDS genius posters.

brew · Member

Key lime you watch yourself, what are you 6 or something, to think that you're smarter or better than anybody. Everybody is allowed their own opinion even you. And if you did listen to all those experts comments then you would know that 1. yes they agree that the Theo deal is the best the habs could have made and 2. Mtl did not adress their need up forward.

All i did is voice out my displease about not doing so. There was no need for your personal attack but if it's what you need to feel a man then i guess you can't help it.

Key Lime · Guru

brew wrote:

Key lime you watch yourself, what are you 6 or something, to think that you're smarter or better than anybody. Everybody is allowed their own opinion even you. And if you did listen to all those experts comments then you would know that 1. yes they agree that the Theo deal is the best the habs could have made and 2. Mtl did not adress their need up forward. All i did is voice out my displease about not doing so. There was no need for your personal attack but if it's what you need to feel a man then i guess you can't help it.

Listen Brew, like you and gave my opinion to your opinion...makes sense. What personal attacks? I said that if you want to agree with the 65%, go right ahead. Let's agree to disagree....and please don't tell me to watch myself. I don't do well with threats...I'm just trying to give opinions that shot straight form the hip like you. It's all good...

heet_150 · Guru

Caper_hab_fan wrote:

I see what your 2 cents mean, but i think all this comes down to the last ???years of rebuilding this team, so what, do you rebuild this team just to go from hoping to make the playoffs to.....hoping to make the playoffs. Obvioiusly something should happen soon, cause i'm not sure about you guys, but i'm tired of always worried if the habs are gonna make the playoffs or not. Wouldn't it be nice sitting in 3rd, 4th, 5th spot for a change. Getting home ice advantage for once, all this rebuilding is really getting us nowhere. (for now) Look at Komisarek and Phenuef. Both drafted high, both were talked up to be a great D man, and Phenuef is in his rookie season playing like he played in this league for 5 years, and our boy Komo is just starting to come around, and thats the problem, we have to many young talent, just starting to come around, but still unsure if they'll be anything more than 2nd/3rd liners. Its time for our draft picks to make a "big" impression on this team. Higgins, Ryder are exeptions however Ryder is a streaker.

I see what you are saying as well, but, and this is only my opinion and by no means gospel, this is an entirely different era that they are in than the last NHL season. There is a league imposed salary cap. Teams can no longer blow their brains out at the deadline. What I see is a core group of lower paid, highly talented and improving talent like Higgins, Perzhogin, Kostitsyn, Plecanec, etc.. Hell, we may even see Dagenais back up with the big club next year. I think someone on this board figured out that the Habs are at 31 million in salaries. I have also heard that next year's cap could be as high as 45 million. That's quite a few ducats to spend on UFA's in the off-season.

plouf · Guru

Good post Heet. I'm glad to see Gainey kept his cool, because this team is slowly gaining on the opposition. I think people need to remember that Gainey arrived to a team that had almost nothing but untried prospects, a centre coming back from cancer, a chronically injured #1 defenseman, etc... The overall value of this team has consistently grown with respect to the other teams in the league.
Yes there are still big holes, but in the new salary-cap NHL we have the potential to be deciding who we want to fill them...

Key Lime · Guru

plouf wrote:

Good post Heet. I'm glad to see Gainey kept his cool, because this team is slowly gaining on the opposition. I think people need to remember that Gainey arrived to a team that had almost nothing but untried prospects, a centre coming back from cancer, a chronically injured #1 defenseman, etc... The overall value of this team has consistently grown with respect to the other teams in the league. Yes there are still big holes, but in the new salary-cap NHL we have the potential to be deciding who we want to fill them...

Now that's the best post I've read on this draining day

murphy · Veteran Member

Key Lime wrote:

plouf wrote: Good post Heet. I'm glad to see Gainey kept his cool, because this team is slowly gaining on the opposition. I think people need to remember that Gainey arrived to a team that had almost nothing but untried prospects, a centre coming back from cancer, a chronically injured #1 defenseman, etc... The overall value of this team has consistently grown with respect to the other teams in the league. Yes there are still big holes, but in the new salary-cap NHL we have the potential to be deciding who we want to fill them... Now that's the best post I've read on this draining day

I second that KL. The Habs just finished a grueling road trip, playing 6 games in 10 days, and earned 9 of a possible 12 points. The game they lost against Phi could easily have been a win and I don't need to say what could have happened against the Laffs if the refs had been impartial. This team is slowly putting it together under Gainey's coaching and with 15 of their remaining 20 games being played at home, they should continue to improve their chances for a play-off spot. We all agree they need more scoring but to give away promising prospects/draft choices for rental players is not, in my mind, good managing. Aebischer should be a good addition as he is an established NHL goalie and should help in the stretch drive. Lets go with the team we have and build on it with some good draft choices, and signings of free agents during the summer.

doodie · Veteran Member

i think the comparison with montreal and calgary is that calgary plays there rookies right away montreal don't ....just look at lefleur when he was tearing up the AHL i couldn't believe they weren't taking him up to the bigs... but thats the way montreal 's been working there rookies for years ...komo sat on the bench with hardly any playing time when he did finally get up there....throw them into the fire right away like phenouh(how do you spell his name again lol)

Nil d · Guru

doodie wrote:

i think the comparison with montreal and calgary is that calgary plays there rookies right away montreal don't ....just look at lefleur when he was tearing up the AHL i couldn't believe they weren't taking him up to the bigs... but thats the way montreal 's been working there rookies for years ...komo sat on the bench with hardly any playing time when he did finally get up there....throw them into the fire right away like phenouh(how do you spell his name again lol)

I think you must be losing your memory, doodie (it happens to us nearly-50'ers).

Guy Lafleur (if that's who "lefleur" is) never spent one second in the AHL, or any minor league for that matter. He went directly from major junior (Quebec Ramparts) to Montreal - where he had three so-so seasons than took off in the fourth.

24 Rings · Guru

Boys, Boys...

What the hell do you want? 6-1-3 in the last 10 games? Only 3 points behind NJ for 6th, 1 point back of TB for 7th. 4-1-1 on a very tough 6 game road trip. We just managed to off-load a 3 year 16 million dollar contract and a crap goalie. We just obtained a great back-up or starter depending on your view. The play-offs are not just a possibility, but look like a reality. We are firing on all cylinders.

If I would have proposed this situation 2 months ago, most of you would have a) not believed me b) sold your soul to be in this position.

SETTLE DOWN BOYS! THINGS ARE GOOD IN HAB-LAND!