It Depends on Tonight

Key Lime · Guru

It Depends on Tonight

Pucky · Veteran Member

I think next year the Habs will be in a better position to trade.

Higgs keeps this up even Ryder job could be ?

and with more from the farm....ohhhh what to do?

24 Rings · Guru

I think Ryder will always have his place, but he just doesn't have it this season. I expected more out of him this year.

plouf · Guru

Typical sophomore inconsistency. You can still see the talent (better skating than advertised, hitting, vision, and above all scoring), but he seems to just bring it once in a while. I think we'll find out who the real Ryder is next season, for better or worse.

Nil d · Guru

Sheesh! 25 goals last year; 24 already with 21 games to go this year. The next top goal-scorer on the Habs has 16. The problem with Ryder is???????????

heet_150 · Guru

I can't see one game making BG's mind up one way or another. I would think that he knows what components are needed to make them competitive in the playoffs, and would make the decision as to what he would want to give up in exchange, based on watching them all year. The only way I can see one or two games making a difference as to being a buyer or seller is if the number of points that a team was out of the playoffs gets to be too much in a GM's mind. IMHO

Johab · Guru

Nil d wrote:

Sheesh! 25 goals last year; 24 already with 21 games to go this year. The next top goal-scorer on the Habs has 16. The problem with Ryder is???????????

Im with ya nil d!!!

plouf · Guru

Nil d wrote:

Sheesh! 25 goals last year; 24 already with 21 games to go this year. The next top goal-scorer on the Habs has 16. The problem with Ryder is???????????

You have to watch him throughout the whole game to see it. He scores just as well as ever, but he doesn't get back much, his passes and positioning are inconsistent. Overall his effort and focus only seem to be there some of the time.

Key Lime · Guru

Johab wrote:

Nil d wrote: Sheesh! 25 goals last year; 24 already with 21 games to go this year. The next top goal-scorer on the Habs has 16. The problem with Ryder is??????????? Im with ya nil d!!!

Same here Nilsey

24 Rings · Guru

So Ryder may get 30 goals this year. That is a decent season but not a great one, especially now that scoring is up. I just think that he can do more out there - he's -4. He is very inconsistent - his goals come in bunches and mostly on the power play. I like Ryder, but I don't think he has played that well this season.

Nil d · Guru

plouf wrote:

Nil d wrote: Sheesh! 25 goals last year; 24 already with 21 games to go this year. The next top goal-scorer on the Habs has 16. The problem with Ryder is??????????? You have to watch him throughout the whole game to see it. He scores just as well as ever, but he doesn't get back much, his passes and positioning are inconsistent. Overall his effort and focus only seem to be there some of the time.

Plouf, I always agree with you, and you may well be right on about your observations, but in its simplest, basest form, hockey is this: The team that scores the most goals wins. Ryder scores the most goals for the Habs. Anything else from him is a bonus.

Key Lime · Guru

Nil d wrote:

plouf wrote: Nil d wrote: Sheesh! 25 goals last year; 24 already with 21 games to go this year. The next top goal-scorer on the Habs has 16. The problem with Ryder is??????????? You have to watch him throughout the whole game to see it. He scores just as well as ever, but he doesn't get back much, his passes and positioning are inconsistent. Overall his effort and focus only seem to be there some of the time. Plouf, I always agree with you, and you may well be right on about your observations, but in its simplest, basest form, hockey is this: The team that scores the most goals wins. Ryder scores the most goals for the Habs. Anything else from him is a bonus.

Let me sum this up for you all... First, Ryder is paid to put the puck in the net. If you take away that abililty from him, he wouldn't be on the team or in the NHL for that matter. He's not a good skater (he looks like a duck at times, have you noticed?), he's not a big hitter, he's average along the boards and he's not a good playmaker...

Look at Zednik. He hasn't been scoring but he has those intangibles or he had those intangibles that Ryder doesn't. He's quick and he's strong on the puck.

I like Ryder, as long as he puts them in the net on occasion.

plouf · Guru

Key Lime wrote:

Nil d wrote:
plouf wrote: Nil d wrote: Sheesh! 25 goals last year; 24 already with 21 games to go this year. The next top goal-scorer on the Habs has 16. The problem with Ryder is??????????? You have to watch him throughout the whole game to see it. He scores just as well as ever, but he doesn't get back much, his passes and positioning are inconsistent. Overall his effort and focus only seem to be there some of the time. Plouf, I always agree with you, and you may well be right on about your observations, but in its simplest, basest form, hockey is this: The team that scores the most goals wins. Ryder scores the most goals for the Habs. Anything else from him is a bonus.

Let me sum this up for you all... First, Ryder is paid to put the puck in the net. If you take away that abililty from him, he wouldn't be on the team or in the NHL for that matter. He's not a good skater (he looks like a duck at times, have you noticed?), he's not a big hitter, he's average along the boards and he's not a good playmaker...
Look at Zednik. He hasn't been scoring but he has those intangibles or he had those intangibles that Ryder doesn't. He's quick and he's strong on the puck.
I like Ryder, as long as he puts them in the net on occasion.

Ryder's got the ability to do all of those things better than he is now. He's actually got hitting ability, passing ability, etc...he doesn't look good when he skates, but in general he's actually better than he looks.

I'm not saying he's doing badly. As you all say, he's putting the puck in the net.
Just saying he has the potential to be a more well-rounded and consistent player is all. Some aspects of his game that we saw last year have partly disappeared, like his playmaking.

Anyway, no worries. I still think he's got the goods to be a top-2 line winger for years to come. And anybody who puts the puck in the net on this team is welcome.

barry33 · Guru

plouf wrote:

Key Lime wrote: Nil d wrote: plouf wrote: Nil d wrote: Sheesh! 25 goals last year; 24 already with 21 games to go this year. The next top goal-scorer on the Habs has 16. The problem with Ryder is??????????? You have to watch him throughout the whole game to see it. He scores just as well as ever, but he doesn't get back much, his passes and positioning are inconsistent. Overall his effort and focus only seem to be there some of the time. Plouf, I always agree with you, and you may well be right on about your observations, but in its simplest, basest form, hockey is this: The team that scores the most goals wins. Ryder scores the most goals for the Habs. Anything else from him is a bonus. Let me sum this up for you all... First, Ryder is paid to put the puck in the net. If you take away that abililty from him, he wouldn't be on the team or in the NHL for that matter. He's not a good skater (he looks like a duck at times, have you noticed?), he's not a big hitter, he's average along the boards and he's not a good playmaker... Look at Zednik. He hasn't been scoring but he has those intangibles or he had those intangibles that Ryder doesn't. He's quick and he's strong on the puck. I like Ryder, as long as he puts them in the net on occasion. Ryder's got the ability to do all of those things better than he is now. He's actually got hitting ability, passing ability, etc...he doesn't look good when he skates, but in general he's actually better than he looks. I'm not saying he's doing badly. As you all say, he's putting the puck in the net. Just saying he has the potential to be a more well-rounded and consistent player is all. Some aspects of his game that we saw last year have partly disappeared, like his playmaking. Anyway, no worries. I still think he's got the goods to be a top-2 line winger for years to come. And anybody who puts the puck in the net on this team is welcome.

Plouf I agree with you. I have said the same thing all year about both Koivu and Kovalev. BOTH have the ability to be MUCH better. It is not enough to say "he is the top scorer on the team" when he is capable of doing more. Same as saying that "The whole team has been bad this year but Koivu has been the least bad".

plouf · Guru

barry33 wrote:

plouf wrote:
Key Lime wrote: Nil d wrote: plouf wrote: Nil d wrote: Sheesh! 25 goals last year; 24 already with 21 games to go this year. The next top goal-scorer on the Habs has 16. The problem with Ryder is??????????? You have to watch him throughout the whole game to see it. He scores just as well as ever, but he doesn't get back much, his passes and positioning are inconsistent. Overall his effort and focus only seem to be there some of the time. Plouf, I always agree with you, and you may well be right on about your observations, but in its simplest, basest form, hockey is this: The team that scores the most goals wins. Ryder scores the most goals for the Habs. Anything else from him is a bonus. Let me sum this up for you all... First, Ryder is paid to put the puck in the net. If you take away that abililty from him, he wouldn't be on the team or in the NHL for that matter. He's not a good skater (he looks like a duck at times, have you noticed?), he's not a big hitter, he's average along the boards and he's not a good playmaker... Look at Zednik. He hasn't been scoring but he has those intangibles or he had those intangibles that Ryder doesn't. He's quick and he's strong on the puck. I like Ryder, as long as he puts them in the net on occasion. Ryder's got the ability to do all of those things better than he is now. He's actually got hitting ability, passing ability, etc...he doesn't look good when he skates, but in general he's actually better than he looks. I'm not saying he's doing badly. As you all say, he's putting the puck in the net. Just saying he has the potential to be a more well-rounded and consistent player is all. Some aspects of his game that we saw last year have partly disappeared, like his playmaking. Anyway, no worries. I still think he's got the goods to be a top-2 line winger for years to come. And anybody who puts the puck in the net on this team is welcome.
Plouf I agree with you. I have said the same thing all year about both Koivu and Kovalev. BOTH have the ability to be MUCH better. It is not enough to say "he is the top scorer on the team" when he is capable of doing more. Same as saying that "The whole team has been bad this year but Koivu has been the least bad".

What a reprobate. Anyway, I agree with you.