Another potential adverse effect on the signing!

AB Habman · Guru

Another potential adverse effect on the signing!

barry33 · Guru

AB Habman wrote:

I think we all can agree that Kovy is a player that if stroked properly can produce! We all have witnessed that he can be a game breaker when he wants to and determine the outcome of a game on his own! His talent is above Saks in that regard! Saks can work his butt off but accomplish nothing in production! What does this signing do to Kovy's ego? Does he now go south on us with the mentallity of "why should I produce when Saks isn't" bit. His 4.5 mil per contract doesn't look very attractive anymore in comparison! He must wonder what Gainey sees in Saks in comparison to himself! I'm sure he problaby thinks he is the better leader also especially on the ice! Sure Kovy still floats here and there! But even when he floats, he sometimes is more effective than Saks when he is giving his all! Could you imagine if Kovy justs totally loses interest from here on in? I can guarantee we miss the playoffs! Remember when Kovy was out of the line-up and we seldom won? We need this guy to be playing well to have a chance! I think Gainey should of kept Kovy the high paid player because of this and paid Saks the going rate on production alone! You can compare Kovy to Jagr in how they can dominate! Rangers have kept him their high paid play and treating him like God! Look where the Rangers are today because of Jagr! They even have a chance at going all the way! Do you think Jagr would be this dominant if Straka was paid more? I highly doubt it! I don't think Gainey can blind Kovy with the A on his jersey to this fact for very long!

I said as much in an earlier post..Kovalev likes to be the center of attention..it will be interesting to see how he reacts now that he is not the highest paid forward on the club..."Raise me or Trade Me" Bob

JohnM · Guru

Wow, Rangers have had a great start but please let's not compare them to the Habs. When was the last time they made the playoffs?

plouf · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Wow, Rangers have had a great start but please let's not compare them to the Habs. When was the last time they made the playoffs?

Yeah, and talk to the Capitals about keeping Jagr "happy" with a fat contract. They are having to rebuild the franchise.

Things can go either way, very good or very bad, with the way Gainey is doing things. We'll see...

AB Habman · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Wow, Rangers have had a great start but please let's not compare them to the Habs. When was the last time they made the playoffs?

John, I'm not comparing Rangers and Habs but Kovy and Jagr!

I wish we had it together like they do right now!

AB Habman · Guru

plouf wrote:

JohnM wrote: Wow, Rangers have had a great start but please let's not compare them to the Habs. When was the last time they made the playoffs? Yeah, and talk to the Capitals about keeping Jagr "happy" with a fat contract. They are having to rebuild the franchise. Things can go either way, very good or very bad, with the way Gainey is doing things. We'll see...

Plouf, very good point! Jagr is a player that you just don't know what you'll get! In Washington, he sucked but now he's being stroked properly and is the best player in the league!

If Kovy loses all interest because of this signing, we could have another Washington Jagr on our hands!

Things can go very bad or very good is right because this signing is a huge gamble if Kovy folds his tent!

Like it or not, we have a potential floater in Kovy and we need him to get to the playoffs!

barry33 · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Wow, Rangers have had a great start but please let's not compare them to the Habs. When was the last time they made the playoffs?

One thing I do not like as a habs fan is that many of us tend to look to the past.. "When was the last time YOUR team made the playoffs", or "When was the last time you guys won a cup". You are right. There IS no comparison this year between the Rangers and Habs. The Rangers are well coached, have consistent goaltending. a strong defence, AND their top scorer actually has more than 23 goals! Not only will they MAKE the playoffs this year...they are a threat to make the Eastern finals. Meanwhile, in habland...we will fight over lowly Toronto to see who will be Ottawa's sacrificial lamb in the first round.

wright · Veteran Member

AB Habman wrote:

I think we all can agree that Kovy is a player that if stroked properly can produce! We all have witnessed that he can be a game breaker when he wants to and determine the outcome of a game on his own! His talent is above Saks in that regard! Saks can work his butt off but accomplish nothing in production! What does this signing do to Kovy's ego? Does he now go south on us with the mentallity of "why should I produce when Saks isn't" bit. His 4.5 mil per contract doesn't look very attractive anymore in comparison! He must wonder what Gainey sees in Saks in comparison to himself! I'm sure he problaby thinks he is the better leader also especially on the ice! Sure Kovy still floats here and there! But even when he floats, he sometimes is more effective than Saks when he is giving his all! Could you imagine if Kovy justs totally loses interest from here on in? I can guarantee we miss the playoffs! Remember when Kovy was out of the line-up and we seldom won? We need this guy to be playing well to have a chance! I think Gainey should of kept Kovy the high paid player because of this and paid Saks the going rate on production alone! You can compare Kovy to Jagr in how they can dominate! Rangers have kept him their high paid play and treating him like God! Look where the Rangers are today because of Jagr! They even have a chance at going all the way! Do you think Jagr would be this dominant if Straka was paid more? I highly doubt it! I don't think Gainey can blind Kovy with the A on his jersey to this fact for very long!

If Kovalev's nose is out of joint because he is no longer the highest paid player in a Hab uniform too bad!! Kovalev should look in the mirror. This guy has a lousy 14 goals!! Sure he is the most talented player on the team, when the mood strikes him. So if he wants a pay raise, play like it.

Koviu has stronger efforts on a weekly basis than Kovalev has on a monthly basis. If the net result of Koviu's signing is that Kovalev decides to pack it in, well so be it, at least he would be a tradable commodity. I hope this does not become the case, because a productive Kovalev is something this team desperately needs on a game to game basis.

barry33 · Guru

wright wrote:

AB Habman wrote: I think we all can agree that Kovy is a player that if stroked properly can produce! We all have witnessed that he can be a game breaker when he wants to and determine the outcome of a game on his own! His talent is above Saks in that regard! Saks can work his butt off but accomplish nothing in production! What does this signing do to Kovy's ego? Does he now go south on us with the mentallity of "why should I produce when Saks isn't" bit. His 4.5 mil per contract doesn't look very attractive anymore in comparison! He must wonder what Gainey sees in Saks in comparison to himself! I'm sure he problaby thinks he is the better leader also especially on the ice! Sure Kovy still floats here and there! But even when he floats, he sometimes is more effective than Saks when he is giving his all! Could you imagine if Kovy justs totally loses interest from here on in? I can guarantee we miss the playoffs! Remember when Kovy was out of the line-up and we seldom won? We need this guy to be playing well to have a chance! I think Gainey should of kept Kovy the high paid player because of this and paid Saks the going rate on production alone! You can compare Kovy to Jagr in how they can dominate! Rangers have kept him their high paid play and treating him like God! Look where the Rangers are today because of Jagr! They even have a chance at going all the way! Do you think Jagr would be this dominant if Straka was paid more? I highly doubt it! I don't think Gainey can blind Kovy with the A on his jersey to this fact for very long! If Kovalev's nose is out of joint because he is no longer the highest paid player in a Hab uniform too bad!! Kovalev should look in the mirror. This guy has a lousy 14 goals!! Sure he is the most talented player on the team, when the mood strikes him. So if he wants a pay raise, play like it. Koviu has stronger efforts on a weekly basis than Kovalev has on a monthly basis. If the net result of Koviu's signing is that Kovalev decides to pack it in, well so be it, at least he would be a tradable commodity. I hope this does not become the case, because a productive Kovalev is something this team desperately needs on a game to game basis.

Wright- I agree with you 900%! I am sooooooo tired of having to treat these highly paid "professionals" like babies and constantly stoke their egos. The 14-15 year olds I coach are more mature than some of these idiots. And you are right..14 goals for our "Hired Gun" is total garbage.

Key Lime · Guru

Multiple year contracts are like gambling. Nothing more, nothing less. Like gambling, you try to put the odds in your favor. Signing Saks is a gamble, just like it was signing Kovy as a free agent this year and signing Theodore to a long-term deal.

Kovy has has the ball in his court. He likes the city, he's well-payed, he just got the "A", he proved that he can remain a floater and the Habs fans will still accept him. He did that at a time when everyone knows that Habs fans are hard to please. Hopefully he realizes all of this. If he has this chip on his shoulder that he needs to be the highest paid player and demands to re-negotiate his contract, GB won't have much of a choice if, especially if becomes the player we wanted to be.

barry33 · Guru

Key Lime wrote:

Multiple year contracts are like gambling. Nothing more, nothing less. Like gambling, you try to put the odds in your favor. Signing Saks is a gamble, just like it was signing Kovy as a free agent this year and signing Theodore to a long-term deal. Kovy has has the ball in his court. He likes the city, he's well-payed, he just got the "A", he proved that he can remain a floater and the Habs fans will still accept him. He did that at a time when everyone knows that Habs fans are hard to please. Hopefully he realizes all of this. If he has this chip on his shoulder that he needs to be the highest paid player and demands to re-negotiate his contract, GB won't have much of a choice if, especially if becomes the player we wanted to be.

As far as I am concerned...Bobby has been doing too much gambling. I am beginning to think that he is not as thick skinned as some have indicated he is. Case in point. I think he caved to fans and not common sense in the Theo signing and may have done the same with Koivu (3 year deal that is not incentive laden with no trade). Did Gainey make these deals or did the fans?

Key Lime · Guru

barry33 wrote:

Key Lime wrote: Multiple year contracts are like gambling. Nothing more, nothing less. Like gambling, you try to put the odds in your favor. Signing Saks is a gamble, just like it was signing Kovy as a free agent this year and signing Theodore to a long-term deal. Kovy has has the ball in his court. He likes the city, he's well-payed, he just got the "A", he proved that he can remain a floater and the Habs fans will still accept him. He did that at a time when everyone knows that Habs fans are hard to please. Hopefully he realizes all of this. If he has this chip on his shoulder that he needs to be the highest paid player and demands to re-negotiate his contract, GB won't have much of a choice if, especially if becomes the player we wanted to be. As far as I am concerned...Bobby has been doing too much gambling. I am beginning to think that he is not as thick skinned as some have indicated he is. Case in point. I think he caved to fans and not common sense in the Theo signing and may have done the same with Koivu (3 year deal that is not incentive laden with no trade). Did Gainey make these deals or did the fans?

or was he trying to build a strong base, like the Hab teams of the past with a long term goaltender and a long term captain?

Zulrath · Senior Member

barry33 wrote:

JohnM wrote:
Wow, Rangers have had a great start but please let's not compare them to the Habs. When was the last time they made the playoffs?
One thing I do not like as a habs fan is that many of us tend to look to the past.. "When was the last time YOUR team made the playoffs", or "When was the last time you guys won a cup". You are right. There IS no comparison this year between the Rangers and Habs. The Rangers are well coached, have consistent goaltending. a strong defence, AND their top scorer actually has more than 23 goals! Not only will they MAKE the playoffs this year...they are a threat to make the Eastern finals. Meanwhile, in habland...we will fight over lowly Toronto to see who will be Ottawa's sacrificial lamb in the first round.

Barry, might I add that this comment of "When was the last time YOUR team made the playoffs" is one I've heard far to many times being a habs fan during tough times. The Rangers finally have done something right, lets give them credit where credit is due.

AB Habman · Guru

Zulrath wrote:

barry33 wrote: JohnM wrote: Wow, Rangers have had a great start but please let's not compare them to the Habs. When was the last time they made the playoffs? One thing I do not like as a habs fan is that many of us tend to look to the past.. "When was the last time YOUR team made the playoffs", or "When was the last time you guys won a cup". You are right. There IS no comparison this year between the Rangers and Habs. The Rangers are well coached, have consistent goaltending. a strong defence, AND their top scorer actually has more than 23 goals! Not only will they MAKE the playoffs this year...they are a threat to make the Eastern finals. Meanwhile, in habland...we will fight over lowly Toronto to see who will be Ottawa's sacrificial lamb in the first round. Barry, might I add that this comment of "When was the last time YOUR team made the playoffs" is one I've heard far to many times being a habs fan during tough times. The Rangers finally have done something right, lets give them credit where credit is due.

Exactly! They have done well to rebuild in a short time and their top payed players are performing like they should!

Habtastic · Guru

As much as Kovy might want to re-negotiate his contract... he can't. The new CBA does not allow for changes to a contract. You sign it, you are stuck with it.

Habtastic

heet_150 · Guru

Habtastic wrote:

As much as Kovy might want to re-negotiate his contract... he can't. The new CBA does not allow for changes to a contract. You sign it, you are stuck with it. Habtastic

A question on that. What are the reprecussions of a player holding out, say, at the beginning of the season, because he feels he is underpaid? I'm sure that he wouldn't get paid for any missed games, but, are there any penalties incurred?

I don't have any specific player in mind, but, for arguments sake, a player feels he should be payed more. So, he asks the team to pay him more. The team, knowing full well that a) they can't and b) they don't have too, say "no". The player then decides to hold out until the team negotiates a contract extention, thereby guaneteeing the player more money. Now, does the player just lose his salary for missed games, or is there a penalty involved? What about the length of his contract? If the player sits for a season, does his existing contract automatically extend for another season at the previously agreed upon terms?

I know it isn't really a practical or probable scenerio, I'm just wondering.

barry33 · Guru

Habtastic wrote:

As much as Kovy might want to re-negotiate his contract... he can't. The new CBA does not allow for changes to a contract. You sign it, you are stuck with it. Habtastic

Ya..now they just get to sulk and not bother trying.

Habtastic · Guru

heet_150 wrote:

Habtastic wrote: As much as Kovy might want to re-negotiate his contract... he can't. The new CBA does not allow for changes to a contract. You sign it, you are stuck with it. Habtastic A question on that. What are the reprecussions of a player holding out, say, at the beginning of the season, because he feels he is underpaid? I'm sure that he wouldn't get paid for any missed games, but, are there any penalties incurred? I don't have any specific player in mind, but, for arguments sake, a player feels he should be payed more. So, he asks the team to pay him more. The team, knowing full well that a) they can't and b) they don't have too, say "no". The player then decides to hold out until the team negotiates a contract extention, thereby guaneteeing the player more money. Now, does the player just lose his salary for missed games, or is there a penalty involved? What about the length of his contract? If the player sits for a season, does his existing contract automatically extend for another season at the previously agreed upon terms? I know it isn't really a practical or probable scenerio, I'm just wondering.

I imagine it would be breach of contract and the playeer would be sued. I don't know for sure though.

Habtastic