Habs prospects and retro analysis of their role or lack of it in the World Junior ..

Forum Fan · Veteran Member

Habs prospects and retro analysis of their role or lack of it in the World Junior ..

Nil d · Guru

Forum Fan wrote:

not to reopen a can of worms , but after giving serious thought to what shook down surrounding the formation of the Team Canada .............was the exclusion of Price , the inclusion of Downey and the marginalization of Latendresse justifiable .............or is there the possibilty that Brent Sutter is your garden variety Alberta redneck ?

Downey? Do you mean Chipchura?

24 Rings · Guru

The Sutter's favour North American farm boys and grinders who buy into a system (see Calgary Flames roster). Of course Brent drafted heavily from the WHL because he owns a team and coaches in that league. Say what you want about their redneck selection process works, but these guys consistently get results. Chipchura wore the C, so they can't be totally biased against Habs prospects...

Forum Fan · Veteran Member

ONE WOULD THINK THAT IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT i WASN'T REFERRING THE INDIVIDUALS NAMED AS " HAB " PROSPECTS , ....THE BIAS WAS TOWARDS THEIR VARIED CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS AND ATTITUDES

Forum Fan · Veteran Member

.............................NO i MEANT DOWNEY , DOWNEY FUFILLED HIS ROLE , BUT THERE WAS ANOTHER REASON SUTTER LIKED DOWNEY

Nil d · Guru

Forum Fan wrote:

ONE WOULD THINK THAT IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT i WASN'T REFERRING THE INDIVIDUALS NAMED AS " HAB " PROSPECTS , ....THE BIAS WAS TOWARDS THEIR VARIED CULTURAL BACKGROUNDS AND ATTITUDES

But your post heading was "Hab prospects....".

I don't know this Downey guy, so what are you referring to? Please stop with the circular talk, what are you saying exactly? That Sutter is a bigot or something?

Forum Fan · Veteran Member

yes I suspect that Brent Sutter holds certain cultural biases which lead to the exclusion of Carey Price , the marginalization of Latendresse and the inclusion of Steve Downey ( not a Hab's prospect ) ..Price and Latendresse had two strikes against them , they were Hab prospects and their cultural affiliations worked against them .........he liked Downey not only because he was a grinder par excellance ..but holds similiar views as Sutter ........

of course not to generalize about all Albertans , however it is the home of Ralph Klein , Preston Manning , bible Bill Aberhardt(sic) , for almost a century now it has been the home of right wing fundamentalism .......is Brent Sutter one of it's native sons ...yes he is

24 Rings · Guru

You know what FF? Canada went undefeated at the WJC as underdogs and I'll bet you were cheering them on. Downey was arguably the best forward for Canada at the WJC, so there is a method to the madness. I don't care if we had to leave off every francophone/Quebecer (that is what you were getting at wasn't it?) off rosters if we thought we had a better team without them. Hope I don't sound too much like Darryl and Brent, but I would have left both Lecavalier and St. Louis off of our Olympic team, not because they are "culturally different", but because they are not the best players.

I for one think the Habs should take a page from the redneck Sutters and add some Alberta farm boy grit and size.

I live in Alberta and it is redneck, but Saskatchewan is more so. Yee Haw!

Forum Fan · Veteran Member

yes of course I did cheer for Canada , are you suggesting being anti-Sutter is synomous with being unpatriotic ?

as for the win , I think most of the credit goes to the players , not to Brent Sutter ......... Evgeny Malkin was named the tournaments most valuable player , Steve Downey as well as he's played did not deserve to br on the team for the same reasons that Todd Bertuzzi and Dany Heatley should not be on Canada's Olympic team ,

Brent Sutter will never coach in the NHL and even if he did he would never get away with the bull**** he pulls on junior players ..........naming the team on public television and then bringing in an additional defenceman who was subsequently cut , forcing people to get haircuts , what is this a hockey team or the Red Guard ...these players all wanted to play for Canada , not necessarily for Brent Sutter

to the point , no ! I wasn't referring only to Francophone players , but now that you have got your feelings out in the open we at least know where you stand , if you only had some knowlegde of certain Hab prospects you might have been able to make a more informed response ...instead we get a kneejerk reaction which results in a open admission that you are a redneck and proud of it .

..by the way , you do sound a lot like Brent Sutter

24 Rings · Guru

FF, that was a brilliant response (and I am being serious)! First off look at your assumtions you make in your comments and then look at what I wrote. I didn't say Downey was the best player in the tournament. Sutter has never lost a game in the WJC so he's doing something right behind the bench. For your information he was considered for the Islanders job and turned it down.

Please enlighten me with your knowledge of Habs prospects. What was the big "cultural affiliations" that these players possessed that kept them off the team. I know about Downey's tussle and yeah, he probably shouldn't have been there and I agree neither should Heatly or Betuzzi. So you've obviously got a problem with Wayne too now because he essentially selected two murders to the team?

Haha...I am the furthest thing from a redneck as well. Don't vote conservative, don't like country music and I live in a city.

TheoDoor · Member

Dear Forum Fan:

I'll assume one of two things: 1) you're simply stirring the pot, or 2) you're an absolute idiot.

Carey Price is a Vancouver-born goalie playing in the WESTERN hockey league, for the Tri-City Americans.
He didn't make the team because he was beat out by hot goalie named Justin Pogge, from Penticton BC. I can see you're bias: Sutter clearly hates city-slickers !?!?
Guillaume latendresse CAN BE an aggressive force with a decent scoring touch... when he wants to be. This isn't the first time the guy's work ethic and inspired play have been questioned. In fact, if he was so great, why did he slip to the second round of the NHL entry draft? Oh right, cause EVERY team must hate "Frogs", as you contend.
Any strikes against these players were performance-oriented, not due to 'cultural affiliations' or whatever the hell you were babbling about.
Thanks for your splendid stereotype of 'Albertans' - ironic, considering your accusations are ENTIRELY based on supposed-Sutter-stereotyping in the first place ?!?
And who would you suggest replacing Heatley with??? The guy's performance speaks for itself. Clearly you've notice he's from Calgary, hence your ridiculous statement....

Beat it FF - you're just bitter you didn't get a $400 cheque from your Premier!

Jonny G · Senior Member

TheoDoor wrote:

Dear Forum Fan:

I'll assume one of two things: 1) you're simply stirring the pot, or 2) you're an absolute idiot.

Carey Price is a Vancouver-born goalie playing in the WESTERN hockey league, for the Tri-City Americans.
He didn't make the team because he was beat out by hot goalie named Justin Pogge, from Penticton BC. I can see you're bias: Sutter clearly hates city-slickers !?!?
Guillaume latendresse CAN BE an aggressive force with a decent scoring touch... when he wants to be. This isn't the first time the guy's work ethic and inspired play have been questioned. In fact, if he was so great, why did he slip to the second round of the NHL entry draft? Oh right, cause EVERY team must hate "Frogs", as you contend.
Any strikes against these players were performance-oriented, not due to 'cultural affiliations' or whatever the hell you were babbling about.
Thanks for your splendid stereotype of 'Albertans' - ironic, considering your accusations are ENTIRELY based on supposed-Sutter-stereotyping in the first place ?!?
And who would you suggest replacing Heatley with??? The guy's performance speaks for itself. Clearly you've notice he's from Calgary, hence your ridiculous statement....

Beat it FF - you're just bitter you didn't get a $400 cheque from your Premier!

TheoDoor -- the name-calling and political commentary are irrelevant and beyond insulting. You might want to consider editing your comments, as well as issuing an apology.

TheoDoor · Member

I will rescind the insults - i am sorry.

The political commentary was far from irrelevant and if you had read the previous posts, you'd
realise my defense against inaccurate stereotyping was appropriate.

Sorry to all offended fellow Bloggers!

Jonny G · Senior Member

TheoDoor wrote:

I will rescind the insults - i am sorry.

The political commentary was far from irrelevant and if you had read the previous posts, you'd
realise my defense against inaccurate stereotyping was appropriate.

Sorry to all offended fellow Bloggers!

I appreciate the political overtones to this thread, I was referring to the comment about the $400.00 cheque ...

In any event, thanks for stepping back.

Nil d · Guru

Two questions:

1. What is Carey Price's "cultural affiliation"?

2. When did Forum Fan say the "F" word (amphibian term referring to Francophones)? I find that word as bad as the "N" word. I re-read his posts but cannot find that reference.