Let's go Saku bashers...

JohnM · Guru

Let's go Saku bashers...

barry33 · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Cherry says to sign Saku. Check out the interview after the game. Yeah this guy doesn't care about the Habs.... He looked the wrong way when Bulis scored. Oh my goodness, he is the cancer in the dressing room. Maybe you guys can shut it now... Zip it and go cheer for Sundin and the Leafs. Saku bleeds Le Bleu Blanc Rouge...-- Edited by JohnM at 21:47, 2006-01-28

John- what he needs to do is lead this team. He did that tonite. But if he wants to be a captain and a leader he needs to lead this sorry bunch every night. I saw what he can do tonite, but I have not seen much of it lately. Get 'er done saks

JohnM · Guru

Sign him to show him he has a future with the Habs. Like Demers said, Saku has no voice in the room without a contract.

Habhead · Veteran Member

JohnM wrote:

Cherry says to sign Saku. Check out the interview after the game. Yeah this guy doesn't care about the Habs.... He looked the wrong way when Bulis scored. Oh my goodness, he is the cancer in the dressing room. Maybe you guys can shut it now... Zip it and go cheer for Sundin and the Leafs. Saku bleeds Le Bleu Blanc Rouge...-- Edited by JohnM at 21:47, 2006-01-28

Wow . . .

Ando · Guru

Easy Johnboy...Saku made some AHL'ers look like AHL'ers!

...he'll sign....for rock-bottom rates though...or it is BYE BYE!!!

ENJOY TONIGHT...but don't gloat...this guy has STUNK for a looonnnnggg time...and his defense is shabby at best!!!

...lets hope he can continue to play well!!!

Habhead · Veteran Member

Just remember before you blow a gasket, John M . . .

Not everyone is against Sak's!

Including myself, in my opinion Saku has been our most consistent player this year besides Markov. It was great to see him get the winner in overtime 'cause I, as well as all Habs fans surely wanted to win this game tonight.

Relax man, lifes good!

JohnM · Guru

Actually the team has stunk it up along with Koivu and the bashers need to hear it after a game like tonight.

Ando · Guru

...Johnny, I hope you CAN gloat after every Hab game!

Have a good night John. Calm down and get a cold pop!

...later!

...YES SAKU SCORED!!! AND PLAYED GREAT OFFENSIVELY!!! KUDOS TO SK!

Muller93 · Guru

The whole Saku Bashing is a joke. I mean a complete pile of garbage out of the mouths of hockey tools.

Have a look at this team...WE HAVE NO SECOND LINE SCORING THREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The mere fact that Koivu is able to produce with back up support like that is astounding. For any of you out there even suggesting that Koivu is part of the problem...either you have no sense or have a clouded head for political/personal reasons.

Oh yea, Theo should have saved that third goal( NO SCREEN---5.5mil...nuff said).

Habtastic · Guru

We will have a second line soon as those younguns and Bulis played pretty well again tonight. Glad to see Saku light it up. Some of the forwards seem to be responding, but our D still seems lost in slow mo.

Habtastic

JohnM · Guru

Ando wrote:

...Johnny, I hope you CAN gloat after every Hab game! Have a good night John. Calm down and get a cold pop! ...later! ...YES SAKU SCORED!!! AND PLAYED GREAT OFFENSIVELY!!! KUDOS TO SK!

Nighty, night Andy. I hope so too!

Nil d · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

The whole Saku Bashing is a joke. I mean a complete pile of garbage out of the mouths of hockey tools. Have a look at this team...WE HAVE NO SECOND LINE SCORING THREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The mere fact that Koivu is able to produce with back up support like that is astounding. For any of you out there even suggesting that Koivu is part of the problem...either you have no sense or have a clouded head for political/personal reasons. Oh yea, Theo should have saved that third goal( NO SCREEN---5.5mil...nuff said).

Right on, as usual, Muller. Theo missed that one because his playing of the angle was way off. He gave him that whole glove side. Except for that though, he played a very good game, and made the saves at the key times.

As for Saku, he played another good game. He had about two bad ones in a row before tonight - which is nothing compared to the rest of the team. Radek knoB has had three good games all year, yet he gets nowhere near the abuse Koivu gets. Go figure.........

JohnM · Guru

Nil d wrote:

Radek knoB has had three good games all year, yet he gets nowhere near the abuse Koivu gets. Go figure.........

He actually was the least played center tonight and was -1 on the night....

Nil d · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Nil d wrote: Radek knoB has had three good games all year, yet he gets nowhere near the abuse Koivu gets. Go figure......... He actually was the least played center tonight and was -1 on the night....

Careful there John; you can't go dissing the Big Bonker ...................

-- Edited by Nil d at 22:17, 2006-01-28

JohnM · Guru

Nil d wrote:

Careful there John; you can't g dissing the Big Bonker ...................

You are right, I may get another timeout or have someone come to Montreal for a meeting.

salted_one · Veteran Member

Ando wrote:

Easy Johnboy...Saku made some AHL'ers look like AHL'ers! ...he'll sign....for rock-bottom rates though...or it is BYE BYE!!! ENJOY TONIGHT...but don't gloat...this guy has STUNK for a looonnnnggg time...and his defense is shabby at best!!! ...lets hope he can continue to play well!!!

heres a funny looking stat for the "shabby at best" defence... a plus 5 which is the best on the team, hes also the owner of the most points and one point away from 1 point per game which looks pretty consistant. the stats seem to tell a different story. hes the best defensivly on the team a plus 5 with theo playing the way he has is amazing and a team that doesn't produce a lot of goals him being a point per game is pretty good too. and lets face it the playoff is where he shines the most important time of the season. should he stay as captain? not for me to say since i don't see what happens in the dressing room. should he be signed to a long term deal? absolutly! being the best player on the team i would rather lose someone who is actually underpreforming. first "we" all beg for CJ's firing, and now that that hasn't worked, "we" find the next one to point the blame at and beg for his trading. i wasn't part of the mob calling for CJ's head and im certainly not gonna be the mob who calls for saku's.

Muller93 · Guru

salted_one wrote:

Ando wrote: Easy Johnboy...Saku made some AHL'ers look like AHL'ers! ...he'll sign....for rock-bottom rates though...or it is BYE BYE!!! ENJOY TONIGHT...but don't gloat...this guy has STUNK for a looonnnnggg time...and his defense is shabby at best!!! ...lets hope he can continue to play well!!! heres a funny looking stat for the "shabby at best" defence... a plus 5 which is the best on the team, hes also the owner of the most points and one point away from 1 point per game which looks pretty consistant. the stats seem to tell a different story. hes the best defensivly on the team a plus 5 with theo playing the way he has is amazing and a team that doesn't produce a lot of goals him being a point per game is pretty good too. and lets face it the playoff is where he shines the most important time of the season. should he stay as captain? not for me to say since i don't see what happens in the dressing room. should he be signed to a long term deal? absolutly! being the best player on the team i would rather lose someone who is actually underpreforming. first "we" all beg for CJ's firing, and now that that hasn't worked, "we" find the next one to point the blame at and beg for his trading. i wasn't part of the mob calling for CJ's head and im certainly not gonna be the mob who calls for saku's.

Great post salted one. It's good to see people who actually study the game post a reasonable response. Rather than someone yaking pretty dumb stuff(see above...). I wonder when And-o will figure out that this is a team sport? It's pretty hard for Koivu to perform EVERY game given his terrible back up support offensively. Funny thing about And-o is that his posts are entertaining---kinda like a clown

Saku11 · Senior Member

Everyone trying to prove someone wrong......whats new???? JOHN,u have to realize Saku has played hard, yeah, but has not played great all year, like we know he can. People sometimes wont agree with you about Koivu supposedly playing great, its not the end of the world. Guess what he played good last night, yeah but what about in Ottawa john??? Gainey replaced Saku in 3 shifts with either Plekanecs or Ribeiro. What about in Carolina John?? Where he couldnt make a 3 ft. out of our Zone. You know, its not like you sit at home watching these games and when Saku fs up, you dont get pissed. So dont Come in here trying to sit of a gdamn Throne thinking you are a freaking expert. Cause your not bud.

JohnM · Guru

Not trying to be an expert, just have to make sure the bashers aren't jumping on the bandwagon.

When Koivu is being put down on such a consistent basis on this board (a la CJ) someone has to stick up for him and the team when they do well. Not just the backhanded compliments....

Muller93 · Guru

Saku11 wrote:

Everyone trying to prove someone wrong......whats new???? JOHN,u have to realize Saku has played hard, yeah, but has not played great all year, like we know he can. People sometimes wont agree with you about Koivu supposedly playing great, its not the end of the world. Guess what he played good last night, yeah but what about in Ottawa john??? Gainey replaced Saku in 3 shifts with either Plekanecs or Ribeiro. What about in Carolina John?? Where he couldnt make a 3 ft. out of our Zone. You know, its not like you sit at home watching these games and when Saku fs up, you dont get pissed. So dont Come in here trying to sit of a gdamn Throne thinking you are a freaking expert. Cause your not bud.

Everyone speaks of JohnM like he is the only Koivu supporter. Hey Saku11...do you suppose EVERY top player in the NHL might be off for 2-3 games??? Come on man. Worse still is the fact that Koivu pretty much carries THE ENTIRE TEAM offensively( Along with Ryder and sporadically Kovy). That should never happen...never!

Any one on here who cannot recognize that, is wearing thick blinders I'm afraid.

Put Koivu on most other team that have at least 4-6 offensive threats and Koivu would be the leader of that 4-6. That is why I despise Ribero so much. He was meant to be our back up offensive threat. He is not, never was. As a result of that complete gafa and oversight, all of you wearing the blinders point the finger at Koivu. Duh!

hockeyman · Senior Member

To be a great leader you have to have great followers and I think some of our followers have to get with the program(every game). Saku is the heart and soul of this team and until some players grow a pair he will always be dissed for his leadership. Go Saku.

Nil d · Guru

hockeyman wrote:

To be a great leader you have to have great followers and I think some of our followers have to get with the program(every game). Saku is the heart and soul of this team and until some players grow a pair he will always be dissed for his leadership. Go Saku.

Amen to that, brother! The Habs are not exhibiting good followship.

barry33 · Guru

hockeyman wrote:

To be a great leader you have to have great followers and I think some of our followers have to get with the program(every game). Saku is the heart and soul of this team and until some players grow a pair he will always be dissed for his leadership. Go Saku.

My point is this. Just like Gainey could not fire the whole team, he had to fire the coach. IF Saks, for whatever reason, is unable to rally the troops and get them to follow him, it may be neccessary for Gainey to trade Saks and change the captain and, ultimately, the chemistry. If he feels that the dressingroom cannot be fixed with Saks and Rivet at the head of the class, he may have to move them. Does that make it right? Of course not. Just like it was not right to fire CJ because the team was not trying. But that is the reality that Gainey may be faced with.

JohnM · Guru

Not sure about that Barry. As we have all seen, it was a mistake to fire CJ... Maybe we should learn from that mistake and use what's good on the team and not get rid of them.

Fans/media in Montreal like to dump on the coach, the captain and the goalie. What has this done for the team, we have lost the likes of Roy, Carbo, Chelios, CJ, etc... for no good reason and nothing to show in return. Let's not fall into the mistakes of the past. Let's build for the future.

Muller93 · Guru

barry33 wrote:

IF Saks, for whatever reason, is unable to rally the troops and get them to follow him, it may be neccessary for Gainey to trade Saks and change the captain and, ultimately, the chemistry. If he feels that the dressingroom cannot be fixed with Saks and Rivet at the head of the class, he may have to move them. Does that make it right? Of course not. Just like it was not right to fire CJ because the team was not trying. But that is the reality that Gainey may be faced with.

But Barry, Why remove the heart which functions fine? Why not replace the organs that are not doing the job? I.E Ribero, Zednic, Souray, Theo? At least you can replace parts. Hard to replace the heart...

Sorry, I work in healthcare so that anology makes sense to me...

barry33 · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

barry33 wrote: IF Saks, for whatever reason, is unable to rally the troops and get them to follow him, it may be neccessary for Gainey to trade Saks and change the captain and, ultimately, the chemistry. If he feels that the dressingroom cannot be fixed with Saks and Rivet at the head of the class, he may have to move them. Does that make it right? Of course not. Just like it was not right to fire CJ because the team was not trying. But that is the reality that Gainey may be faced with. But Barry, Why remove the heart which functions fine? Why not replace the organs that are not doing the job? I.E Ribero, Zednic, Souray, Theo? At least you can replace parts. Hard to replace the heart... Sorry, I work in healthcare so that anology makes sense to me...
Well if you want to use a healthcare analogy let me put it this way. Sometimes you need to remove a perfectly good organ to get to the ones that need removed.

Muller93 · Guru

barry33 wrote:

Well if you want to use a healthcare analogy let me put it this way. Sometimes you need to remove a perfectly good organ to get to the ones that need removed.

Well done.

But if you remove the heart in any surgical procedure...the end result is death

plouf · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Not trying to be an expert, just have to make sure the bashers aren't jumping on the bandwagon.
When Koivu is being put down on such a consistent basis on this board (a la CJ) someone has to stick up for him and the team when they do well. Not just the backhanded compliments....

You know where I stand. A big thumbs up for these posts JohnM, NilD, Muller, salted one, etc...

superhab · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

The whole Saku Bashing is a joke. I mean a complete pile of garbage out of the mouths of hockey tools. Have a look at this team...WE HAVE NO SECOND LINE SCORING THREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:furious: The mere fact that Koivu is able to produce with back up support like that is astounding. For any of you out there even suggesting that Koivu is part of the problem...either you have no sense or have a clouded head for political/personal reasons. Oh yea, Theo should have saved that third goal( NO SCREEN---5.5mil...nuff said).

THe bolded is under emphizied(SP) our second line center (Bonk) has half as many goals as a fighter we picked up off waivers (Downey)

By the way Sak is a great captain and to get rid of him would be a mistake who would pick up his slack. Kovalev? Bonk? Locke? none of these guys can do it. and AND-O, come on medicore defensivly?

-- Edited by superhab at 19:50, 2006-01-29

habs93 · Veteran Member

Saku needs to be signed asap since he has no contract for next year as of yet - it is like a coach with no contract for the next year.......players have a mentality why listen/follow him etc he might not be here next year or next week though that is the wrong approach to take IMO. Saku's agent (who ever he is) might want to wait and see how much the salary cap goes up next year (Like Lupin who is waiting as well with Lugongo in FLA who has turned down two contract offers although Lupin tends to have a higher opinion of his players than management like Potvin in Toronto it was Burns system that made Potvin look good & not necessiarly Potvin although Potvin had his moments as Potvin has bounced around quite a bit to other teams after he left TO & Luongo is a good goalie whose claim to fame is seeing more rubber than a dead skunk on the Trans Canada Highway & Lupin wants more money than Brodeaur/Turco who have recently signed............