Theodore????

habnot · Member

Theodore????

Nil d · Guru

habnot wrote:

Seriously...knock knock...what a joke. NO excuse to give up 6 at home to a seriosuly weak Pens team...That's disgusting. Maybe gay porn is where he belongs?

Watch it, habnot. You'll be off Habgirl's Christmas list with that kind of talk!

habnot · Member

sorry to be so negative, but the "pretty boy" has been nothing but an embarrassment this season...That's a lot of cash for a back-up goalie!

theweedman2001 · Newbie

Three goals Six shots says it all

Nil d · Guru

theweedman2001 wrote:

Three goals Six shots says it all

Weedman, where are you in Nova Scotia? (I called you Tweedman the other day; sorry!) I'm in Halifax.

Johab · Guru

habnot wrote:

Seriously...knock knock...what a joke. NO excuse to give up 6 at home to a seriosuly weak Pens team...That's disgusting. Maybe gay porn is where he belongs?

Funny, we JUST finished talking about the negativity on the board, Davidb at least go the point in saying....ok give me something positive out fo this game...there just isnt...everyone knows they played bad....he didnt say anything cuz we're ALL tired of hearing it. I dont know if your new to just posting here or if you have been reading the board for a while...but really...nothing you are saying is helping the mood around here. Instead of coming here...and this is to everyone...and making personal remarks towards players or other people or coaches....use the board for what it is hear for. Insight on HOCKEY and facts about it and the team. You blame theo for 6 goals he let in? What about our so called "top line" that produced absolutely nothing. Or the defense just letting Sid walk in on that game winning goal....even if it hadnt deflected off Theo...crosby would have been alone for 2-3 whacks at the puck before any defenseman would be on him. What about the dumb penalties the team took that cost us goals. The penguins are not a SERIOUSLY WEAK TEAM. They are an under achieving team that needs stable defense and goaltending. If you havent noticed...they have some of the most impressive scorers in the league Crosby, Leclair, Rechhi, Palfy, Gonchar....shall i continue? Which is more to say about our Koivu and Kovalev.. who BOTH havent hit the 30 pt mark yet...yeah...they missed alot of games...but that doesnt say much for the rest of the team who many ( Ribiero, Ryder etc) have played EVERY game and still havent hit 30 pts. Im SICK AND TIRED OF LISTENING TO PEOPLE BLAME 1 PERSON FOR A LOSS!!!! ITS A TEAM GAME...YOU WIN AND LOSE AS A TEAM!!!! And until they start playing like one...we are going to see the same thing every night...that doesnt mean you have to come here and constantly remind us how bad they are playing. Please people....just ease up a bit on all the negativity...we all KNOW the habs are not playing well....we all KNOW Theo is paid too much....we all KNOW the offense or defense hasnt been doing its job....WE ALL KNOW!!!!! Anymore of this and my next post REALLY wont be pretty....

murphy · Veteran Member

Johab wrote:

habnot wrote: Seriously...knock knock...what a joke. NO excuse to give up 6 at home to a seriosuly weak Pens team...That's disgusting. Maybe gay porn is where he belongs? Funny, we JUST finished talking about the negativity on the board, Davidb at least go the point in saying....ok give me something positive out fo this game...there just isnt...everyone knows they played bad....he didnt say anything cuz we're ALL tired of hearing it. I dont know if your new to just posting here or if you have been reading the board for a while...but really...nothing you are saying is helping the mood around here. Instead of coming here...and this is to everyone...and making personal remarks towards players or other people or coaches....use the board for what it is hear for. Insight on HOCKEY and facts about it and the team. You blame theo for 6 goals he let in? What about our so called "top line" that produced absolutely nothing. Or the defense just letting Sid walk in on that game winning goal....even if it hadnt deflected off Theo...crosby would have been alone for 2-3 whacks at the puck before any defenseman would be on him. What about the dumb penalties the team took that cost us goals. The penguins are not a SERIOUSLY WEAK TEAM. They are an under achieving team that needs stable defense and goaltending. If you havent noticed...they have some of the most impressive scorers in the league Crosby, Leclair, Rechhi, Palfy, Gonchar....shall i continue? Which is more to say about our Koivu and Kovalev.. who BOTH havent hit the 30 pt mark yet...yeah...they missed alot of games...but that doesnt say much for the rest of the team who many ( Ribiero, Ryder etc) have played EVERY game and still havent hit 30 pts. Im SICK AND TIRED OF LISTENING TO PEOPLE BLAME 1 PERSON FOR A LOSS!!!! ITS A TEAM GAME...YOU WIN AND LOSE AS A TEAM!!!! And until they start playing like one...we are going to see the same thing every night...that doesnt mean you have to come here and constantly remind us how bad they are playing. Please people....just ease up a bit on all the negativity...we all KNOW the habs are not playing well....we all KNOW Theo is paid too much....we all KNOW the offense or defense hasnt been doing its job....WE ALL KNOW!!!!! Anymore of this and my next post REALLY wont be pretty....

Johab, I agree with most of what you have said but please remember everyone has opinions and they are entitled to express them. This is fact, Theo was brutal in the first period but played well in the 2nd and 3rd. The shots on goal in the 1st. period were 17-6 for Habs so I think it is obvious who didn't play well in that period. Habs did not play well in the 3rd.(same old story-not playing 60 mins).

As for wanting something positive, lets hear it from you if you can find something positive to report. I look forward to your next post.

brooklynhabfan · Guru

Johab wrote:

habnot wrote:
Funny, we JUST finished talking about the negativity on the board, Davidb at least go the point in saying.....

Seriously, It's just this kind of crap that has no place here. I know Theo's had a lot of bad times this season, but as I said over a month ago, THE BASHING IS GETTING BORING.

If you have a specific criticism about his style, play, or his off-ice manner, then vent it. But resorting to 5th grade taunts isn't doing anyone any good, and just makes it look like you come here because you can't find a dog to kick.

While I haven't been impressed by him so far, the guy still has the potential to bounce back. He's done it before, and I believe he'll do it again. A non-AHL D would go a long way towards that. Guys who can light the lamp on the other end wouldn't hurt either. Put him in back of any goood Colorado or Red Wings team of the last 10 years, and I guarantee he'd have a fist full of rings.

It's not like he's this guy:

brooklynhabfan · Guru

murphy wrote:

Johab, I agree with most of what you have said but please remember everyone has opinions and they are entitled to express them. This is fact, Theo was brutal in the first period but played well in the 2nd and 3rd. The shots on goal in the 1st. period were 17-6 for Habs so I think it is obvious who didn't play well in that period. Habs did not play well in the 3rd.(same old story-not playing 60 mins).
As for wanting something positive, lets hear it from you if you can find something positive to report. I look forward to your next post.

Murph, I think what Johab is getting at is the delivery of a post. Having an opinion is one thing, but having a setting for that opinion that is fitting to the tone and tenure of this board is essential if we don't want to have Gohabs plummet into the realm of lesser venues. It also promotes the freedom of expression that you mention by keeping moderation to a minimum.

The difference between your post and the one in question is that yours has a specific point to make, delivered without stooping to schoolyard pejoratives.

Besides, Ribs is much prettier than Theo

habnot · Member

Johab wrote:

habnot wrote: Seriously...knock knock...what a joke. NO excuse to give up 6 at home to a seriosuly weak Pens team...That's disgusting. Maybe gay porn is where he belongs? Funny, we JUST finished talking about the negativity on the board, Davidb at least go the point in saying....ok give me something positive out fo this game...there just isnt...everyone knows they played bad....he didnt say anything cuz we're ALL tired of hearing it. I dont know if your new to just posting here or if you have been reading the board for a while...but really...nothing you are saying is helping the mood around here. Instead of coming here...and this is to everyone...and making personal remarks towards players or other people or coaches....use the board for what it is hear for. Insight on HOCKEY and facts about it and the team. You blame theo for 6 goals he let in? What about our so called "top line" that produced absolutely nothing. Or the defense just letting Sid walk in on that game winning goal....even if it hadnt deflected off Theo...crosby would have been alone for 2-3 whacks at the puck before any defenseman would be on him. What about the dumb penalties the team took that cost us goals. The penguins are not a SERIOUSLY WEAK TEAM. They are an under achieving team that needs stable defense and goaltending. If you havent noticed...they have some of the most impressive scorers in the league Crosby, Leclair, Rechhi, Palfy, Gonchar....shall i continue? Which is more to say about our Koivu and Kovalev.. who BOTH havent hit the 30 pt mark yet...yeah...they missed alot of games...but that doesnt say much for the rest of the team who many ( Ribiero, Ryder etc) have played EVERY game and still havent hit 30 pts. Im SICK AND TIRED OF LISTENING TO PEOPLE BLAME 1 PERSON FOR A LOSS!!!! ITS A TEAM GAME...YOU WIN AND LOSE AS A TEAM!!!! And until they start playing like one...we are going to see the same thing every night...that doesnt mean you have to come here and constantly remind us how bad they are playing. Please people....just ease up a bit on all the negativity...we all KNOW the habs are not playing well....we all KNOW Theo is paid too much....we all KNOW the offense or defense hasnt been doing its job....WE ALL KNOW!!!!! Anymore of this and my next post REALLY wont be pretty....

stop it...please...the Pens are a joke...9 rooks in the lineup, and a bunch of washed-up vets...the only one worth a slt is palffy...who has been just ordinary. Funny how they always play well against the habbys...why is that?

Why can't Theodore stop a beachball? Because He's staying too far in his net, not cutting down on angles, and lacks concentration...he's brutal and stealing a paycheque.

Chris Osgood won a Cup in Detroit...so did Vernon...So pleae, spare the "On a good team" platitudes. patty wion 2 cups by himself..THAT's a quality goalie. Theodore is a front runner...great when he's out in front, but awful when the chips are down.nYes, he's been pretty good in the past, but his play is killing any momentum and confidence as He lets in weak goals every single first period...why has the team come from behind so often this season?? They've had to!

I call it the way I see it, and i'm not gonna sugar coat it because some folks have their heads in the sand and can;t face the truth...gainey has made a huge mistake and needs to inject some heart into this team...yesterday..if they can find a taker for Jose-B, then do it...he's washed up...very carey-esque, actually...maybe even Steve Penney.

barry33 · Guru

As I have while defending Julien, I am going to be constructive of my criticicsm of Theodore. As a goalie and now a coach, I know how important goaltending is. The fact is, regardless of whether Theo gets paid 5 million or 500 (gainey gave him the money so lets stop whining about it), he is simply not getting the job done on a nightly basis. The fact is that he is now the 27th rated goalie in the league in save percentage and GAA. What bothers me more than this is that it is quite obvious that the coaching staff is not confident in Huet or he would have started the 2nd period last night. The trade that Gainey made for Bonk last night is biting him nightly. I will go on record as saying that Garon would have started teh 2nd last night had he been on th bench.

I do realize it is a team game and just as Julien is not the main problem in Montreal, he is a piece of it. We can only assume why Theo was not yanked last night. As a coach I would have. However I do not know what is going on. Maybe Julien was making a point and saying that we are going to fail or succeed as a team? Maybe Melanson has no confidence in Huet at all. The fact is Johab, the Habs came out flying lats night and played 60 minutes of hockey. I disagree with habnot to the effect that this team is not pathetic. They played with grit and determination and effort. They hit, they blocked shots. But when you allow questionable goals on the first 6 shots of a game you take all the momentum away from a team. Theo did that last night. His timing and confidence has been horrible. The first goal Crosby is going wide but everyone knows where to put the puck. Upstairs. Yes Theo is abutterfly goalie and goes down, but when you are going down too early (and every sniper in the lague knows it), you will get beat up where Momma keeps the cookies on a regular basis. Second goal the guy is not on a clear breakaway and puts a weak backhand between his legs. In reality, he got beat on the first 5 shots because he had 2 goalposts.

Theo is shaky night in and night out. I like this guy. I have met him. I think he has all the TOOLS to be successful. He has one decent game then 3 bad ones. He is being paid to stop the puck. Last night was a game that he had to step up. The rest of the team stepped up but Theo did not. His positioning is bad, his timing is bad. Julien has given him all kinds of time PRAYING that he comes around. He has no choice. He is all we have. Claude knows it. Huet is not the answer (LA did not want him and he wants to go to Europe next year). Danis is not near ready to be a number one goalie who will carry this team.

I do not agree with the fans booing Theo last night, although they paid their money they can do what they want. Theo has done alot for this team. I am at a loss to explain why he is struggling this year (you would have to talk to Rollie Melanson). Booing the kid will do nothing to improve his confidence (call me crazy). Theo is a big part of the puzzle along with defense and lack of scoring. 4 goals should have been more than enough to win a game last night. It was not. We can criticize the dmen and I have done that. However I would say that our defence is comparable to where it was in 2003-04. Yes teh game is more wide open now and that hurts our defence a bit. The difference is that Theo would win games for us 2 years ago. This year he does not. Cmon Theo, we need you!

-- Edited by barry33 at 07:23, 2006-01-04

brooklynhabfan · Guru

habnot wrote:

Chris Osgood won a Cup in Detroit...so did Vernon...So pleae, spare the "On a good team" platitudes. patty wion 2 cups by himself..THAT's a quality goalie..

Hey, no one's telling you to sugar coat anything, just don't come crashing on this board looking for a fight with posts designed to irk. Take some time to look at recent posts on the subject of respectful posting, and you'll no doubt fit in fine. Or look at And-o's posts. While they can be mighty ascerbic, and I disagree with a lot of them, they are solid, and entertaining, and he never gets in the face of those who differ from him. He's just confident, and that's fantastic for the board.

While you make some good points in your last post, you're way off on your history.

First, Carey never had a second good season, Theo has, and second, ROY WAS BY HIMSELF???

In your opinion, you consider Forsberg, Sakic, Deadmarsh, Keane, Lemieux, Leschyshyn, Ozolinsh, Blake, Bourque, Drury, Foote, Tanguay and the others NOBODYS? Roy may have been MVP, but he sure didn't do it himself, go check the videos. I wish we had a team full of nothings like that.

As for his pay, blame management, not him. They agreed to the amount. His salary was based on past performance, and was along the lines of Vezina-winning goalies with similar records. That's how business is done, so why should he feel guilty? And if you think a mistake was made, fine, go find us another Canadian player who fits the role of franchise goalie as well as he does. You're not just filling a roster position, you're trying to satisfy an organism of demand that exists nowhere else in professional sports. At least this one hasn't stormed off like a baby in search of a ego-soothing cradle in the mountains.

If we follow your thinking, and give up, based on a handful of games, on everyone who is in a slump, then we can look forward to a future filled with the journeyman stylings of Trevor Lindens and Andy Moogs.

I'd rather stick with the chick that was hatched in our nest.

habnot · Member

brooklynhabfan wrote:

habnot wrote: Chris Osgood won a Cup in Detroit...so did Vernon...So pleae, spare the "On a good team" platitudes. patty wion 2 cups by himself..THAT's a quality goalie.. Hey, no one's telling you to sugar coat anything, just don't come crashing on this board looking for a fight with posts designed to irk. Take some time to look at recent posts on the subject of respectful posting, and you'll no doubt fit in fine. Or look at And-o's posts. While they can be mighty ascerbic, and I disagree with a lot of them, they are solid, and entertaining, and he never gets in the face of those who differ from him. He's just confident, and that's fantastic for the board. While you make some good points in your last post, you're way off on your history. First, Carey never had a second good season, Theo has, and second, ROY WAS BY HIMSELF??? In your opinion, you consider Forsberg, Sakic, Deadmarsh, Keane, Lemieux, Leschyshyn, Ozolinsh, Blake, Bourque, Drury, Foote, Tanguay and the others NOBODYS? Roy may have been MVP, but he sure didn't do it himself, go check the videos. I wish we had a team full of nothings like that. As for his pay, blame management, not him. They agreed to the amount. His salary was based on past performance, and was along the lines of Vezina-winning goalies with similar records. That's how business is done, so why should he feel guilty? And if you think a mistake was made, fine, go find us another Canadian player who fits the role of franchise goalie as well as he does. You're not just filling a roster position, you're trying to satisfy an organism of demand that exists nowhere else in professional sports. At least this one hasn't stormed off like a baby in search of a ego-soothing cradle in the mountains. If we follow your thinking, and give up, based on a handful of games, on everyone who is in a slump, then we can look forward to a future filled with the journeyman stylings of Trevor Lindens and Andy Moogs. I'd rather stick with the chick that was hatched in our nest.

all fair comments...however, Roy won TWO cups in Montreal...one with a good team, another with a very average team...neither team was as good as the Colorado juggernauts he played for!

Agreed, The Habs offered him the money...just wish he'd earn it a little better. I'm disappointed Carey Price never made team Canada (although Pogge has been brilliant!)...wonder if he really IS the future? Theo should have been traded for Luongo at the start of the year when they had their chance with mad Mike!