Was looking at havs stats

Jay1982 · Guru

Was looking at havs stats

brooklynhabfan · Guru

Correct me if I'm wrong, Nil, but isn't it sort of a statistical miracle that our record is what is is with the numbers we have put up so far?

Nil d · Guru

brooklynhabfan wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, Nil, but isn't it sort of a statistical miracle that our record is what is is with the numbers we have put up so far?

I'm not sure why you're asking ME that question, since I'm not the one who posted that message................ but since you asked:

The answer is very simple - every one of the 15 wins was a squeaker, but we've been blown away a couple of times, hence the winning record despite the negative goal differential.

Miracle? No. Making a lot out of a little? Absolutely!

brooklynhabfan · Guru

Nil d wrote:

brooklynhabfan wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, Nil, but isn't it sort of a statistical miracle that our record is what is is with the numbers we have put up so far?

I'm not sure why you're asking ME that question, since I'm not the one who posted that message................ but since you asked:

I was thinking that you must have endured some statistics courses to get your shingle hung

Nil d · Guru

brooklynhabfan wrote:

Nil d wrote: brooklynhabfan wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, Nil, but isn't it sort of a statistical miracle that our record is what is is with the numbers we have put up so far? I'm not sure why you're asking ME that question, since I'm not the one who posted that message................ but since you asked: I was thinking that you must have endured some statistics courses to get your shingle hung

Well, I took two Stats courses, back in 1982, so for all intents and purposes, I've forgotten all I ever learned. But if you have this misguided idea that I know a few things, I'll go along with that charade for a while yet.............

brooklynhabfan · Guru

Ahhhh... but I bet you're still a dab hand with a calculator... especially spelling rude things when viewed upside down (the calculator, not you, of course)

barry33 · Guru

brooklynhabfan wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, Nil, but isn't it sort of a statistical miracle that our record is what is is with the numbers we have put up so far?

Let me answer that brooklyn. yes it is a small miracle and as Nil'd says, it shows that the team has done the most with the least. Even when we have everyone back, we are really missing a sniper (in the form of a 2nd line center if you prefer, I dont care as long as he can put the damn biscuit in the net). Further evidnce that the coaching staff is doing a good job. Now Gainey needs to go get a radical thing like T-A-L-E-N-T.

Regarding the Pens..makes you wonder what their goals scored stat would be without Crosby and Lemieux huh?

salted_one · Veteran Member

actually kinda shows how bad the pens really are... with all the "stars" on the team they still can't score a lot of goals. with out Crosby and Lemieux they would probably be in last place overall. do you think maybe the pens are the exact opposite of the habs? tons of talent but horrible coaching or is it the Rangers all over again?

brooklynhabfan · Guru

i agree, Barry, that's why I'm not that bothered with the state of things now.. We have a solid foundation, and coaching that might only need a little tinkering (goalie coach?) Patience, and waiting for choice talent opportunities will put the Gohabs float in the habs victory parade (I think it should look like a giant bottle of Guiness on it's side wearing a dryden retro shirt) Mario can drive of course

And Salted, when they put that team together, it looked like Rangers 1999 jr. (no Russian primadonnas on board though) and look where it's got them, all hobbles and snobbles

And just to rub egg on my face, I was so wrong about the Rangers earlier in the year. Great team to watch if you haven't had the chance

barry33 · Guru

salted_one wrote:

actually kinda shows how bad the pens really are... with all the "stars" on the team they still can't score a lot of goals. with out Crosby and Lemieux they would probably be in last place overall. do you think maybe the pens are the exact opposite of the habs? tons of talent but horrible coaching or is it the Rangers all over again?

I think you hit the nail on the head.barry33 feels that the Pens have more talent then the habs do right now (goaltending is questionable). barry33 feels that you cannot take a player with no coaching experience whatsoever (ie Mario Tremblay) and make him a head coach. Eddie O is not the answer.

heet_150 · Guru

Just to hammer the point home about how bad the Pens have been playing:

Plus / Minus Stats (from worst to first) (Penguins unless otherwise noted):

Mark Recchi: -20
Mario Lemieux: -17
Bryan Berrard: -17 (Columbus)
Ryan Malone: -14

John Leclair is -10, Sergei Gonchar -9, Sidney Crosby and Matt Murley -8.

That's a whole lotta players from one team on the first page of the worst plus/minus category.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/statistics/?season=regular&players=skaters&column=PlusMinus&sort=ascending

Perhaps Crosby was right to say that there isn't a whole lot of effort being put out there by the team.

brooklynhabfan · Guru

I really want to see Berard do well, he had so much promise.

How's his eye, anyway?

heet_150 · Guru

brooklynhabfan wrote:

How's his eye, anyway?

I recently heard that he is legally blind in that eye. So I guess that means he can see shadows, or blurry objects. It still amazes me that he has the ability to play for a pro club. Makes me think about what could have been a remarkable career, Leaf or not.

Nil d · Guru

heet_150 wrote:

Perhaps Crosby was right to say that there isn't a whole lot of effort being put out there by the team.

When did he say that? And to whom?

Muller93 · Guru

salted_one wrote:

actually kinda shows how bad the pens really are... with all the "stars" on the team they still can't score a lot of goals. with out Crosby and Lemieux they would probably be in last place overall. do you think maybe the pens are the exact opposite of the habs? tons of talent but horrible coaching or is it the Rangers all over again?

Past stars. And that is the problem. Lemieux, Leclair, Recchi---all old and way past prime. Ganchar is a typical uninspired guy who has made his money and could care less. Palffy...well he is pretty good I think.

So Crosby has a bunch of has-beens around him.

brooklynhabfan · Guru

Palffy would make an awesome hab

Jay1982 · Guru

Yeah I know, I was joking with my pops a few days ago about Gainey pulling a trade to get Ziggy

heet_150 · Guru

Nil d wrote:

When did he say that? And to whom?

Sorry Nil, I didn't see your post until today.

http://www.nhl.com/news/2005/12/246968.html

Nil d · Guru

heet_150 wrote:

Nil d wrote: When did he say that? And to whom? Sorry Nil, I didn't see your post until today. http://www.nhl.com/news/2005/12/246968.html

Thanks, heet. Good to see Sidney speak out that way - in a manner that doesn't show anyone up. I tell you, that man will be a team captain very soon, and a great coach in the future.