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Would the team be better off without Jose Get-On-My-Knees-And-Pray Thedore? Well, if Mathieu Garon was still around, we might do okay sans Theo. But Garon's gone (though coming to town Sat. to show us what he's got), Huet's already on his way home, and Danis is still very much an unknown and unproven quantity -- though I like his style so far. So all this talk of trading Theo should just stop. I don't know why he's spending so much time on his knees, but I'm sure it's been discussed with him and I really do believe that before the season gets too much farther along, he will get back to being consistently great like he was a couple years ago. If not, Danis will get a huge opportunity to play a lot -- and we can all start thinking about how we can get young Jimmy Howard from Detroit.

It's a down moment right now, for sure. Losing is getting to be a habit, and there's plenty of blame to go around from Theo on out. Bonk is certainly a disappointment. Ribs -- a guy who I thought would excel under the new rules -- is all but inviisible. Our defense as a whole keeps leaving guys open in the wrong places at the wrong times. And Zeds, a former sniper who we need to start putting the puck in the net, has been skating like he's got poop in his pants ever since his injury.

The good new is that we're 14-7-5 even despite all the injuries, bad breaks, and weak efforts. True, a lot of those wins were games we stole. But the team found a way to win them and that's a good sign for the future of this team -- and says a lot to me about its coaching, as well. When you look at where the team is today, with new players like Perez and Pleks, an emerging offensive force like Ryder, and some good young D-men like Cube, Markov and Komisarek, you've got to like the Habs' chances if not this year then certainly in years to come.

To be a real contender, though, we have to have the netminding. I'm hoping Theo gets back to where he was. But if not, BG, can we look into swapping Bonk back for Garon?

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To be a real contender, though, we have to have the netminding. I'm hoping Theo gets back to where he was. But if not, BG, can we look into swapping Bonk back for Garon?


My answer is I am not sure..was Kings GM Dave Taylor prone to concussions during his playing career?


 



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They don't want Bonk back.

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Im sorry i dont see any point in bringing Garon back. You want to trade away a goalie who you KNOW is capable of playing the best in the league, for a guy who isnt eve a starter in LA? Garon couldnt do any better than Theo is doing right now. And PLEASE EVERYONE!!!! Get off this crap about Theo being down too early bla bla bla. And all this about the league knows to shoot high on theo. THE LEAGUE KNOWS TO SHOOT HIGH ON ANY goalie!!!! Its no secret!!!!! Maybe Theo goes down too early, but as a goalie your taught to go down, some of you are saying if he stood there he would have stopped it. Funny thing is if theo didnt go down then 6/10 shots would go in because you dont cover even half the net when you just "stand there"  Take it from me guys. I am a goalie, have been for 9 years. Some guys just know how to fool a goalie get him down and then roof it. NO goalie can stop those shots on a consistant basis. Give Theo some slack. No he isnt any MVP from 3 years ago, but he isnt as bad as 3/4 the goalies in the NHL. Be glad we have our share of the top 5 goalies. Funny how fast you guys turn on a guy you owe 2 second round appearances to!

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Johab,  I started poating that a month ago. Please watch the replays. He is going down too early. Please  watch the tapes. I am not saying he should be traded at all. I am not sure what we should do.

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Funny how fast you guys turn on a guy you owe 2 second round appearances to!


I remember as a kid getting excited about Dryden and 6 cups, I guess the bar is a little lower these days

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Johab wrote: Funny how fast you guys turn on a guy you owe 2 second round appearances to! I remember as a kid getting excited about Dryden and 6 cups, I guess the bar is a little lower these days

Well now, we don't exactly have 10 of the top 15 players in the league assembled on one team anymore now do we.....


 


 



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I guess what it's just hard for me to get tweaked about occasional second round blowouts

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Johab wrote:

. . . Give Theo some slack. No he isnt any MVP from 3 years ago, but he isnt as bad as 3/4 the goalies in the NHL. Be glad we have our share of the top 5 goalies. Funny how fast you guys turn on a guy you owe 2 second round appearances to!


A goalie eating up 5 mil of our cap and playing poorly doesn't get any slack from me.  I'll be the first to applaud Theo if he ever get's his game together, but I'm not holding my breath.


Theo's save percentage is .888 which puts him 31st out of 44, which means 3/4 of the goalies are playing better than Theo (To qualify, a goalie must be on pace to play at least 27 games).


Save percentage is a much better indicator of a goaltenders performance than GAA, for obvious reasons.


In professional sports it's ALWAYS a case of "what have you done for me lately" . . . not, what did you do for me 3 years ago.


Theo had better get his act in gear, or the Habs will have a real problem making the playoffs.



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I don't like to slag any of our guys(well..........maybe Dagenais)but Theo is beginning to make my blood boil. For the cash he is being paid,he has to start coming up big. Steal one for us like he used to. He's getting paid superstar dollars,he has to start playing like a superstar. That Drury goal was just brutal.

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I feel the same way, and when we are in a tough game how many times do we fight rush after rush and finally get a goal only to have "save no more" I mean Theodore let in an easy one  He reminds me of Michelle Plasse  or Michelle Bunny Laroque or  Maybe Dennis Dejordy

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Michel Plasse! I haven't heard that name for a while. Poor guy was one of the worst goalies I've ever seen.


 


Careful what you say about Bunny Larocque. He only sucked once he got to the Leafs. You had to love the guy. (Had a better AVG than Dryden some years, probably for the same reason Danis has a better avg. than theo)



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My problem with Theo is that he only seems to play well when there is no real pressure to win.  When we are expected to lose, he is on fire, when we are supposed to win or really need the win, he often checks... see Toronto.  I would prefer him to be here playing well, but I am starting to lose faith that his head will ever match his skill.


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plouf wrote:

Michel Plasse! I haven't heard that name for a while. Poor guy was one of the worst goalies I've ever seen.   Careful what you say about Bunny Larocque. He only sucked once he got to the Leafs. You had to love the guy. (Had a better AVG than Dryden some years, probably for the same reason Danis has a better avg. than theo)

Bunny Laroque was probably the best #2 goalie in hockey history!  And he was a great #1 as well - with the Vezina Trophies to prove it.


As for Michel Plasse, I saw him play in Halifax, back in the NS Voyageurs AHL days.  He was most forgettable, except for one thing:  He and Jose Theodore have this one thing in common.  Anybody know what that is?


 



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No sir, I do not but since I started this converstaion  how about a hint   u can email it to me lol

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Nil d wrote:
plouf wrote:
Michel Plasse! I haven't heard that name for a while. Poor guy was one of the worst goalies I've ever seen.   Careful what you say about Bunny Larocque. He only sucked once he got to the Leafs. You had to love the guy. (Had a better AVG than Dryden some years, probably for the same reason Danis has a better avg. than theo)

Bunny Laroque was probably the best #2 goalie in hockey history!  And he was a great #1 as well - with the Vezina Trophies to prove it.
As for Michel Plasse, I saw him play in Halifax, back in the NS Voyageurs AHL days.  He was most forgettable, except for one thing:  He and Jose Theodore have this one thing in common.  Anybody know what that is?
 


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I guess what it's just hard for me to get tweaked about occasional second round blowouts
Oh come on now, we lost to the Stanely cup champs one year ( who could be upset about that ) and lost a series because a coach has a temper problem....that one ill let you get pissed about...i still am. Anyways, you can expect the same results with this team as you could back in the years of Dryden....we just arent the same team. Be happy with the Semi's... its an improvement from no playoffs at all.

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Anyways, you can expect the same results with this team as you could back in the years of Dryden....we just arent the same team.


Obviously

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My problem with Theo is that he only seems to play well when there is no real pressure to win.  When we are expected to lose, he is on fire, when we are supposed to win or really need the win, he often checks... see Toronto.  I would prefer him to be here playing well, but I am starting to lose faith that his head will ever match his skill. Habtastic

 


I disagree. Theo is completely unpredictable. It doesn't matter if it's a big game or a little game.


He has won important games against top teams for us. He has lost them too. He has dominated weak teams. And he has sucked against weak teams.



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plouf wrote: Michel Plasse! I haven't heard that name for a while. Poor guy was one of the worst goalies I've ever seen.   Careful what you say about Bunny Larocque. He only sucked once he got to the Leafs. You had to love the guy. (Had a better AVG than Dryden some years, probably for the same reason Danis has a better avg. than theo) Bunny Laroque was probably the best #2 goalie in hockey history!  And he was a great #1 as well - with the Vezina Trophies to prove it. As for Michel Plasse, I saw him play in Halifax, back in the NS Voyageurs AHL days.  He was most forgettable, except for one thing:  He and Jose Theodore have this one thing in common.  Anybody know what that is?  

 


they both scored a goal.



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Theo is completely unpredictable. It doesn't matter if it's a big game or a little game.
He has won important games against top teams for us. He has lost them too. He has dominated weak teams. And he has sucked against weak teams.



Took the words right out of my mouth!

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He and Jose Theodore have this one thing in common.  Anybody know what that is?     they both scored a goal.

Bingo!  Plasse did it in Kansas City of the CHL in 1970/71.  Theo, of course, scored his in the NHL.


Well done, plouf!




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There was a Flyers goalie who scored to right??   Hextall or am I wrong

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Yes,Hextall (boy did he never go away), but Hextall did it TWICE!

Once, regular season against Boston, then in the playoffs against Washington

But can you tell me who was the first? (hint: Hextall used to play for the same team)

extra points: What was Hextall's distinguishing first?

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First goalie to score a goal was Billy Smith I always thought. I used to have a hockey card that commemorated that. ...I think.


anyway, the thing Hextall did first was actually shoot the puck in the net, where the other ones happened basically on own goals where the goalie happened to be the last guy who touched it on the other team.



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Nil d wrote:

plouf wrote: He and Jose Theodore have this one thing in common.  Anybody know what that is?     they both scored a goal. Bingo!  Plasse did it in Kansas City of the CHL in 1970/71.  Theo, of course, scored his in the NHL. Well done, plouf!
Ahh the KC Scouts. My Pee Wee AAA Team used those jerseys and I still have it somewhere in my attic..UGLY

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First goalie to score a goal was Billy Smith I always thought. I used to have a hockey card that commemorated that. ...I think.
anyway, the thing Hextall did first was actually shoot the puck in the net, where the other ones happened basically on own goals where the goalie happened to be the last guy who touched it on the other team.


Yes, yes and yes. And the extra points was that he was the first guy to have a grandfather who also was an NHL'er. Played a few games back in the beginning of the Rangers. I think he was on a line with Messier

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First goalie to score a goal was Billy Smith I always thought. I used to have a hockey card that commemorated that. ...I think. anyway, the thing Hextall did first was actually shoot the puck in the net, where the other ones happened basically on own goals where the goalie happened to be the last guy who touched it on the other team.

I remember that Billy Smith one (the NHL's first ever goal credited to a goalie) well.  It was on a delayed penalty against the Islanders; the opposong goalie had gone to the bench for the extra attacker.  The defenseman for the opposing team moved in and took a shot, which Smith stopped;  the rebound went back to the defenseman, who passed it back to the point to ..................... no one, since he had vacated the area!  The puck slid all the way to the empty net.


Hextall had the first where he actually shot the puck over everyone's head, as did Thodore, and Brodeur (in the playoffs against the Habs).  Who else?  Osgood, I think.  Anyone else?


 



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