One guestion.

AB Habman · Guru

One guestion.

Muller93 · Guru

yep...Koivu

AB Habman · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

yep...Koivu

Muller, Koivu is the example of the smurf that can't sustain a full season, never mind being elite. With Saks being the first guy to jump in your brain, you have just helped me make my point. It has been so long since we've had a skilled and hard working player that makes a difference game in and out that we accept patchwork with straws.

Johab · Guru

how about theo?? 2001-2002?

JohnM · Guru

Ribs

hockeyman · Senior Member

Dagenais

Key Lime · Guru

My how we quickly forget...hello? Gilbert Dionne!

AB Habman · Guru

You win Johab!

For one season, we had a solid player that did it with hard work and skill.

Mad Habber · Member

AB Habman wrote:

Muller93 wrote:

yep...Koivu

Muller, Koivu is the example of the smurf that can't sustain a full season, never mind being elite. With Saks being the first guy to jump in your brain, you have just helped me make my point. It has been so long since we've had a skilled and hard working player that makes a difference game in and out that we accept patchwork with straws.

By your own definition, it's Koivu. 71 points in 02-03, the season after the Theo heroics. 71 points playing Zednick (30 goals) and others like Audette, Kilger, Czerkawski etc. If he would have had 2 true first line wingers, he would have gotten more points. Instead he was stuck with 2nd liners and others.

barry33 · Guru

Mad Habber wrote:

AB Habman wrote:

Muller93 wrote:

yep...Koivu

Muller, Koivu is the example of the smurf that can't sustain a full season, never mind being elite. With Saks being the first guy to jump in your brain, you have just helped me make my point. It has been so long since we've had a skilled and hard working player that makes a difference game in and out that we accept patchwork with straws.

By your own definition, it's Koivu. 71 points in 02-03, the season after the Theo heroics. 71 points playing Zednick (30 goals) and others like Audette, Kilger, Czerkawski etc. If he would have had 2 true first line wingers, he would have gotten more points. Instead he was stuck with 2nd liners and others.

"IF ONLY". Great players elevate their play REGARDLESS of who they are playing with. Crosby had 107 points last year as an 18 year old. Can anyone here name his wingers?!??? Exactly. Oveechkin same thing. I am getting tired of all this "so and so has done fantastic with the habs considering who he has had to play with". I don;t think Sundin has been blessed with superstar wingers either.

Mad Habber · Member

Well you name me a better player in Mtl. You can't because there are none. Some have more talent (not many) but are lacking in other qualities. The guy is the total package in a small, fragile body. No fault of his own. The fact that he plays with that much drive is probably the reason he is not as resilient as some. How often is Ribiero injured, not very, why, if you need an answer to that, you don't pay enough attention to him.