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We'll see what happens.

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Man are the Habs destined to lose this case or what!!!


...Ryder leads the team in goals...is basically destined to consistently score 30-40 goals annually and should do so for at least another eight to ten years!  His release is just plain NASTY...and his shot is heavier than Barry33's lunch!!!


Cripes, just think of what this kid could do if he played 'side-car' to the likes of Vinny LeCavalier (who propped up Modin for years) or Joe Thornton (Jonathan Chee-who)!?!?!? 


And-o suggests that Ryder will (and outta) 'shoot-for-the-moon' and certainly take Gainey to arbitration for a BIG raise!!! 



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Problem is is that the rest of his game went the way of the dinos last year...

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or the hurricane's hockey stick lol kidding...or am I?

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The big question is, what is he worth?  3.5?  More?  Less?

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He shouldn't get a cent over 2.5 until he can develop the rest of his game. I think 2mil is more reasonable though.

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He was the lowest paid 30 goal scorer in the league at 1 Million per season. He is definitely going to get a raise through arbitration....it's just a matter of how much the award will be.

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He was the lowest paid 30 goal scorer in the league at 1 Million per season. He is definitely going to get a raise through arbitration....it's just a matter of how much the award will be.


What bugs me the most about this is the fact that arbitration is tough. Let me compare it to walking into your boss' office and asking for a raise. Your boss then spends a half hour telling you how poorly your performed in an effort to make you happy just to have  ajob.


In this case it will be Gainey sitting there going on and on about Ryder's inefficiency in an effort to save the club as much cash as possible. My question is this: What kind of a taste will that leave in Ryder's mouth, how will it affect his play, and how will it affect his desire to stay in Montreal when he becomes an UFA?


Is it worth it? Given the open wallet policy Gainey has had with guys like Boillon, Theodore, Koivu and Huet, it makes me wonder whey he would nickle and dime our only 30 goal scorer.



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Do we know what Ryder was looking for?  And does this tell us anything about Ryder?  I'm curious if it was he or his agent in the driver's seat.  I've always wondered with more player don't represent themselves nowadays...

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This does not mean Ryder will necessarily go to arbitration. They still have until the hearing date to work out a deal. Most players/teams work out a contract prior to it ever going that far. It basically means they don't accept the qualifying offer.

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how is ryder eligible for arbitration according to this
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=170594&hubname=
so if ryder only has 2 years in montreal how can he go to arbitration . something ir wrong somewhere.

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Given the open wallet policy Gainey has had with guys like Boillon, Theodore, Koivu and Huet, it makes me wonder whey he would nickle and dime our only 30 goal scorer.



Look at what Huet is making (I think it's around $2.5 mil for yr 1 and $3 mil for yr 2). Bouillon is being paid about $2 mil a year. I'd hardly call that an "open-wallet policy", especially when compared to the salaries being dished out everywhere else!

Now, compare Huet's contribution to the Habs with Ryder's and then tell me what you think Ryder is worth.

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how is ryder eligible for arbitration according to this http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=170594&hubname= so if ryder only has 2 years in montreal how can he go to arbitration . something ir wrong somewhere.

That article doesn't have all the rules, some involve age as well and Ryder is 26 now.  Also since the league cancelled the contracts for 04-05, i think that counts as a year of service??? 

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He was the lowest paid 30 goal scorer in the league at 1 Million per season. He is definitely going to get a raise through arbitration....it's just a matter of how much the award will be. What bugs me the most about this is the fact that arbitration is tough. Let me compare it to walking into your boss' office and asking for a raise. Your boss then spends a half hour telling you how poorly your performed in an effort to make you happy just to have  ajob. In this case it will be Gainey sitting there going on and on about Ryder's inefficiency in an effort to save the club as much cash as possible. My question is this: What kind of a taste will that leave in Ryder's mouth, how will it affect his play, and how will it affect his desire to stay in Montreal when he becomes an UFA? Is it worth it? Given the open wallet policy Gainey has had with guys like Boillon, Theodore, Koivu and Huet, it makes me wonder whey he would nickle and dime our only 30 goal scorer.

Yup and you for one would be screaming and calling for Gainey's scalp if he did not negotiate a proper contract with Ryder and gave him the moon. As well, no matter what happens in arbitration, I would say F--K Ryder if his play diminished as a result of an arbitration decision. As you always say, where are the good old days where players played for the luv of the game and not the dollar signs. You can't suck and blow at the same time.

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barry33 wrote: He was the lowest paid 30 goal scorer in the league at 1 Million per season. He is definitely going to get a raise through arbitration....it's just a matter of how much the award will be. What bugs me the most about this is the fact that arbitration is tough. Let me compare it to walking into your boss' office and asking for a raise. Your boss then spends a half hour telling you how poorly your performed in an effort to make you happy just to have  ajob. In this case it will be Gainey sitting there going on and on about Ryder's inefficiency in an effort to save the club as much cash as possible. My question is this: What kind of a taste will that leave in Ryder's mouth, how will it affect his play, and how will it affect his desire to stay in Montreal when he becomes an UFA? Is it worth it? Given the open wallet policy Gainey has had with guys like Boillon, Theodore, Koivu and Huet, it makes me wonder whey he would nickle and dime our only 30 goal scorer. Yup and you for one would be screaming and calling for Gainey's scalp if he did not negotiate a proper contract with Ryder and gave him the moon. As well, no matter what happens in arbitration, I would say F--K Ryder if his play diminished as a result of an arbitration decision. As you always say, where are the good old days where players played for the luv of the game and not the dollar signs. You can't suck and blow at the same time.

Well thankfully Gainey does not listen to what I have to say lol. On the other side of the coin, Perhaps Gainey looks at arbitration as his "out". That way if he is awarded 2.5 million by an arbitrator, Gainey can at least say "Well it was not MY doing". That way armchair GM's like me who know nothing about signing players cannot say he paid too much

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