Conn Smythe = Grand Theft!

Ando · Guru

Conn Smythe = Grand Theft!

ScottishHAB · Veteran Member

Ward seems a fair enough pick to me.

barry33 · Guru

ScottishHAB wrote:

Ward seems a fair enough pick to me.

When Ward said that "Any guy on this team coudl have won this", in this case I do not feel it was a cliche. Ward was NOT spectacular by any means. The fact that he gave up 8 goals in 2 games to allow a 7th game is not the stuff that MVP's are made of. 'nuff said.

MC Girl · Guru

barry33 wrote:

ScottishHAB wrote: Ward seems a fair enough pick to me.

When Ward said that "Any guy on this team coudl have won this", in this case I do not feel it was a cliche. Ward was NOT spectacular by any means. The fact that he gave up 8 goals in 2 games to allow a 7th game is not the stuff that MVP's are made of. 'nuff said.

Couldn't agree more Barry. Cam's good, don't get me wrong.... but this years MVP??? Not so sure about that.

Nil d · Guru

Ando wrote:

Are you kidding And-o??? Cam Ward awarded the Conn Smythe as playoff MVP??? What a joke!!! All Rod Brind'Amour did was pick this team up and dust it off before carrying it on his shoulders numerous times (including his meeting before game 7)!!! How is that for gratitude!!!??? Cam Ward must/should be embarrassed!!! Puhleez!!!

He did seem to be embarassed when they gave him the trophy. He shrugged it off at best, and said it meant nothing to him. (Which may have been humble, but I thought a bit disrespectful.)

In his defense, he could not say enough about his captain every time he was interviewed, so I guess he agrees with you, And-o.

skov1044 · Member

cam ward hands down deserves to win the conn smythe

if it wasnt for him the canes are beaten in the first round

brooklynhabfan · Guru

Said it before, I'll say it again, ROD was ROBBED!

barry33 · Guru

skov1044 wrote:

cam ward hands down deserves to win the conn smythe if it wasnt for him the canes are beaten in the first round

Actually the same could be said for Brindamour. He carried that team in ice time, face offs and in the dressing room.. Sorry, my nod goes to Brindamour big time.

skov1044 · Member

barry33 wrote:

skov1044 wrote: cam ward hands down deserves to win the conn smythe if it wasnt for him the canes are beaten in the first round Actually the same could be said for Brindamour. He carried that team in ice time, face offs and in the dressing room.. Sorry, my nod goes to Brindamour big time.
cam ward single handily beat the habs ,5 goals in 4 game

brindamour might have had a big impression on the team in the locker room and on the ice

but ward stole a few games in that 1st round

MC Girl · Guru

skov1044 wrote:

cam ward single handily beat the habs ,5 goals in 4 game brindamour might have had a big impression on the team in the locker room and on the ice but ward stole a few games in that 1st round

There was more to the playoffs than the first round. Brindamour should have been the pick hands down. Yes Ward helped them beat us out & had a great run of things.... but Brindamour??? Who wouldn't have picked him??? Def. a shocker

skov1044 · Member

MC Girl wrote:

skov1044 wrote: cam ward single handily beat the habs ,5 goals in 4 game brindamour might have had a big impression on the team in the locker room and on the ice but ward stole a few games in that 1st round There was more to the playoffs than the first round. Brindamour should have been the pick hands down. Yes Ward helped them beat us out & had a great run of things.... but Brindamour??? Who wouldn't have picked him??? Def. a shocker

5 points plus 1 for the stanley cup finals

and its a shocker he didnt win

i have no problem if brindamour won the award

but i do not think it was a no brainer,and i dont think he got robbed

MC Girl · Guru

skov1044 wrote:

5 points plus 1 for the stanley cup finals and its a shocker he didnt win i have no problem if brindamour won the award but i do not think it was a no brainer,and i dont think he got robbed

I'll use the same line Koivu adorer's use. "It's not only about the points.... it's about what he brings to the dressingroom & game"

Desi · Senior Member

No doubt Brind'amour should've won this. How many big goals did he have? How many times did his teammates talk about him being the leader? Who was their offensive spark plug when they really needed him?

If Ward was to be the MVP in the manner of Dryden, Roy, etc., maybe he shouldn't have been chased from the net on those occasions when he was.

Rod got burned I think -- but I'm sure he could care less.

Les Canadiens sont la

Muller93 · Guru

MC Girl wrote:

skov1044 wrote: 5 points plus 1 for the stanley cup finals and its a shocker he didnt win i have no problem if brindamour won the award but i do not think it was a no brainer,and i dont think he got robbed I'll use the same line Koivu adorer's use. "It's not only about the points.... it's about what he brings to the dressingroom & game"

Well done Mcgirl...so by pure correlation...Koivu is the habs MVP...right?

Anyhow...yes, Rod Brind'Amour was the MVP...no doubt in my mind.

MC Girl · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

Well done Mcgirl...so by pure correlation...Koivu is the habs MVP...right? Anyhow...yes, Rod Brind'Amour was the MVP...no doubt in my mind.

I think he would have been. Had his eye allowed him to return early enough to make a difference, he would have been a lock.

I'd like to say Huet would have been 'cause I know he was great these last few months for us, I don't think he'd be our MVP for the same reason I don't think Cam should be MVP.

MVP should not be judged solely on performance... heart & leadership should have equal parts in that decision. Koivu has an effect on our team that doesn't show up on the scoresheet.

-- Edited by MC Girl at 19:09, 2006-06-20

rwp2le · Guru

Chris Pronger should have won it. Doesn't matter if they lost, he showed why he is the best defenseman in the world now. He was robbed.

Ando · Guru

MC Girl wrote:

...I'll use the same line Koivu adorer's use. "It's not only about the points.... it's about what he brings to the dressingroom & game"

Using Saku Koivu as an example to support the case of Rod Brind'Amour for Conn Smythe trophy winner in these past playoffs is kinda like citing Enron as an example of legitimate accounting!

...to suggest that the two players are a "coke vs. pepsi" thing is just plain wrong...Nay...And-o takes that back...it is a TOTAL CONTRADICTION.

And-o asks...would you seriously value one the same (or anywhere even close) as the other?

macneil · Guru

now whats your problem and-o , dont like that comparison , whats wrong with it , they both are the leaders of their team both average about .8 pts /game (.82 brin-.8 koi) both are heart and soul of team . what is so horible about what she said . if you switch them i think each persons stats would reflect it. the only problem with koivu's leadership is hes sometimes hurt and he has people who dont want to be led .

MC Girl · Guru

macneil wrote:

now whats your problem and-o , dont like that comparison , whats wrong with it , they both are the leaders of their team both average about .8 pts /game (.82 brin-.8 koi) both are heart and soul of team . what is so horible about what she said . if you switch them i think each persons stats would reflect it. the only problem with koivu's leadership is hes sometimes hurt and he has people who dont want to be led .

Thanks macneil

I thought there was validity with my point too. You saved me some time

Ando · Guru

macneil wrote:

...what is so horible about what she said...

You show And-o a NHL GM that would trade Rod Brind'Amour straight-up for Saku Koivu...and And-o will show you a NHL GM soon to be unemployed!

Honestly...it ain't Saku bashing...but the two are just not comparable...AT ALL!!!

Cripes, those rouge tinted goggles need to come off!!!

MC Girl · Guru

Ando wrote:

macneil wrote: ...what is so horible about what she said... You show And-o a NHL GM that would trade Rod Brind'Amour straight-up for Saku Koivu...and And-o will show you a NHL GM soon to be unemployed! Honestly...it ain't Saku bashing...but the two are just not comparable...AT ALL!!! Cripes, those rouge tinted goggles need to come off!!!

OK, And-o.... who do you feel should have been MVP on the Habs???

I wasn't comparing the two talent wise, or for their net worth. I was comparing them in a "leadership" & "their best qualities don't show up on the scoresheet" manner. No two players can be compared as identical & no where in my post did I say what you are claiming I said.

MVP shouldn't be about who is worth more in the league financially & talent wise ('cause not every team has "the best player in the NHL")... it should be about who is worth more to the team on every other level.... equally. Comparing the two teams is indeed nonsense. I'm speaking of what Koivu's worth to our team is.... & for the same reasons, why I think Brind'amour should have had MVP of the finals. You are reading way tooo much into what was said. Brind lead the team, he was a leader...

He took control on & off the ice & made plays happen.

Ando · Guru

First, And-o is deathly afraid of MC Girl (the only poster And-o fears).

Second, And-o wasn’t so much “Koivu bashing” as he was “Brind’Amour praising”…the two are different!

And-o grants that MC Girl (by the way, that ‘handle’ sounds like some new freak’ish female character at McDonalds ‘Play-Land’…you know, the one where Mulsey and JohnM bounce in that big tub of sponge balls) makes a good point about both having certain qualities that are difficult to measure...but that is it as far as And-o is concerned!

MC Girl · Guru

Ando wrote:

First, And-o is deathly afraid of MC Girl (the only poster And-o fears). Second, And-o wasn’t so much “Koivu bashing” as he was “Brind’Amour praising”…the two are different! And-o grants that MC Girl (by the way, that ‘handle’ sounds like some new freak’ish female character at McDonalds ‘Play-Land’…you know, the one where Mulsey and JohnM bounce in that big tub of sponge balls) makes a good point about both having certain qualities that are difficult to measure...but that is it as far as And-o is concerned!

LOL, you needn't fear me And-o

.... & in my posts I was agreeing with you anyways. I wanted Brind to be the MVP too.

rwp2le · Guru

MC Girl wrote:

LOL, you needn't fear me And-o .... & in my posts I was agreeing with you anyways. I wanted Brind to be the MVP too.

And-o, be afraid, be very afraid.

Johab · Guru

If your questioning CAm Ward as playoff MVP, ask yourself this question.... Would carolina have won the cup with garber in net?

NO!!! Carolina wouldnt have gotten past the first round with gerber in net. Brind amour was useless in those first 2 games against montreal. Sure he scored, but you need goaltending to win and Ward gave them that, and without him, they NEVER would have won...

MC Girl · Guru

Johab wrote:

If your questioning CAm Ward as playoff MVP, ask yourself this question.... Would carolina have won the cup with garber in net? NO!!! Carolina wouldnt have gotten past the first round with gerber in net. Brind amour was useless in those first 2 games against montreal. Sure he scored, but you need goaltending to win and Ward gave them that, and without him, they NEVER would have won...

True... however Gerber did have the flu first round & that was why Ward was brought in. Gerber might have played a different game once he was 100%. Ward ended up staying in because... well... why fix it if it ain't broken. LOL Ward was doing great.

I take nothing away from Ward.... he rocked it, but Brind took the leading role & they excelled because of him.... can't win by goaltending alone.... I must give credit where credit is due.

hockeyman · Senior Member

What about Justin"The Blade"Williams. He is the big reason the Canes got by the Habs.

AB Habman · Guru

This one is a toss up. Without Ward, they don't get passed us in the first round. Gerber was taking Canes down along with his virus. Ward came in and was solid against us and carried it through. Habs weren't in the same league as Canes all along. Gerber made us look good.

Brindamour was also solid and without him, they don't get passed Sabres or Oilers.

Also to get back to Saks. He was starting to play well in game three when he went down with an eye injury. But even with him at the top of his game wouldn't of been enough to beat the Canes and Ward. Was Saks our MVP in the first two games....no, but it doesn't matter because Canes played with an empty net. It was like picking cherries for the Habs.

Ward was solid but didn't carry the Canes on his back like Roy did in his first Cup win. It's a tough one to call when you have a horse like Brindamour who is a great two way player and leader.

macneil · Guru

now ab this post just make you look silly , habs not is same league as canes , we out scored them in the series , every game was a 1 goal game , 3 in ot ,1 double ot, last 4 without our captain .now gerber was bad and maybe without him we dont win a game but i dont think the canes were in another league , in the regular season yes , post season ( the real season)not a chance . i still think the only team they legit beat was the devils. the rest of the teams were without core players . hockey players dont like to use excuses but facts are facts .

AB Habman · Guru

macneil wrote:

now ab this post just make you look silly , habs not is same league as canes , we out scored them in the series , every game was a 1 goal game , 3 in ot ,1 double ot, last 4 without our captain .now gerber was bad and maybe without him we dont win a game but i dont think the canes were in another league , in the regular season yes , post season ( the real season)not a chance . i still think the only team they legit beat was the devils. the rest of the teams were without core players . hockey players dont like to use excuses but facts are facts .

The reason I said we weren't in the same league was without counting the first two games which were an aberation, they had better goaltending, forwards and defense.