Time for Ribs to show if he can cut it

JohnM · Guru

Time for Ribs to show if he can cut it

superhab · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Ok, we all know what time of year it is. It's playoff time, the time where Ribs pulls the disappearing act. Now is his chance to show that he is not a floater and can actually contribute. It will be players like him who can make a difference. We know we will get contributions from Koivu, Kovy and Markov. The question is will players like Ribs, Bonk, Souray and Bulis step up to the plate come crunch time...

I don't know if we will get contributions from Kovy and Markov, Kovy proved he can play but it is a matter if he will. The Turning point in the Boston series was when Kovy hit Souray and Glen Murray scored in OT. Before that Kovy was nonexistent i hope it doesn't take something like that to happen again for Kovy to preform. As for Markov i don't know about him right now, he's not playing great now and is unproven in the playoffs. On the other hand SOuray should be great. No one can question his work ethic and desire. I expect him to contribute offensivly try hard defensivly but still make a few mistakes because of Carolina's speed.

AB Habman · Guru

If our core players don't step up and lead this team, it doesn't mean squat what the others do because we're going nowhere especially against Canes. Leaders lead and periferal players will follow. Remember, we have a chance of winning with core players playing hard(Boston win) and our second line dogging it, then the other way around.

Nice try taking potential heat off our Captain though. Saks has to bring it....nuff said.

JohnM · Guru

Nice try AB... Your man Ribs has to show his stuff if he wants to stay here next year. We all know Sak is the man and will be here until retirement... By the way AB, this post was about Ribs, not Sak.

-- Edited by JohnM at 22:20, 2006-04-19

AB Habman · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Nice try AB... Your man Ribs has to show his stuff if he wants to stay here next year. We all know Sak is the man and will be here until retirement... By the way AB, this post was about Ribs, not Sak.-- Edited by JohnM at 22:20, 2006-04-19

Nice try John...Your man Saks has to step it up and justify his large contract and no trade clause. Also, like the report card(that you posted) states, redeem his season.

If Saks stinks which I don't think he will, then don't expect the little squirt Ribs to carry the team and then lay blame on him if he doesn't.

This is your way of attempting to defer attention away from one smurf to the other.

The Captain must play like he did in the Olympics despite what the 50 lb. Ribs does.

John, don't fold on your man now.

JohnM · Guru

I'm not and never will. Like I said this post was about Ribs, how come you aren't sticking up for him like you did in the past. Oh yeah, you have no favourites players, only favourite players to pick on....

More stats:

Ribs career regular season PPG: .55

Ribs career playoff PPG: .28

He needs to improve his playoff % in order to be a second line center for the Habs.

If you are tired of watching Koivu and the Habs you can always check how Sundin and the Leafs are doing on the golf course....

-- Edited by JohnM at 23:18, 2006-04-19

Jedah · Guru

superhab wrote:

JohnM wrote:
Ok, we all know what time of year it is. It's playoff time, the time where Ribs pulls the disappearing act. Now is his chance to show that he is not a floater and can actually contribute. It will be players like him who can make a difference. We know we will get contributions from Koivu, Kovy and Markov. The question is will players like Ribs, Bonk, Souray and Bulis step up to the plate come crunch time...
I don't know if we will get contributions from Kovy and Markov, Kovy proved he can play but it is a matter if he will. The Turning point in the Boston series was when Kovy hit Souray and Glen Murray scored in OT. Before that Kovy was nonexistent i hope it doesn't take something like that to happen again for Kovy to preform. As for Markov i don't know about him right now, he's not playing great now and is unproven in the playoffs. On the other hand SOuray should be great. No one can question his work ethic and desire. I expect him to contribute offensivly try hard defensivly but still make a few mistakes because of Carolina's speed.

Not true about Kovalev. He actually turned it on in game 3 where he scored 2 goals and was named the first star. I remember it well because I was at the game. That incident occured in game 4, and as I recall he scored in that one as well. But that definitely did motivate him to try to make up for his mistake.

jeanthehabtiste · Senior Member

I just don't get you guys at all sometimes.

superhab · Guru

Jedah wrote:

Not true about Kovalev. He actually turned it on in game 3 where he scored 2 goals and was named the first star. I remember it well because I was at the game. That incident occured in game 4, and as I recall he scored in that one as well. But that definitely did motivate him to try to make up for his mistake.

Ya your right i forgot. Oh well what can i say im getting old. He did come on stronger after that game though. He had started to come around.

AB Habman · Guru

JohnM wrote:

I'm not and never will. Like I said this post was about Ribs, how come you aren't sticking up for him like you did in the past. Oh yeah, you have no favourites players, only favourite players to pick on.... More stats: Ribs career regular season PPG: .55 Ribs career playoff PPG: .28 He needs to improve his playoff % in order to be a second line center for the Habs. If you are tired of watching Koivu and the Habs you can always check how Sundin and the Leafs are doing on the golf course....-- Edited by JohnM at 23:18, 2006-04-19

Yes, those stats confirm what I'm saying. We should expect more from Saks than Ribs and not the other way around. BTW, what's Saks playoff PPG since you're bringing in stats?

Also, all the core players have to step up led by your Olympic hero.

AB Habman · Guru

Don't worry about Kovy... he'll be our most dominant player.

Pablo Honey · Veteran Member

JohnM wrote:

Ok, we all know what time of year it is. It's playoff time, the time where Ribs pulls the disappearing act. Now is his chance to show that he is not a floater and can actually contribute. It will be players like him who can make a difference. We know we will get contributions from Koivu, Kovy and Markov. The question is will players like Ribs, Bonk, Souray and Bulis step up to the plate come crunch time...

As much as it might pain you to do this, you need to step back and realize that there's more pressure on Koivu than on Ribs to perform.

Ribs didn't just sign a multi-million dollar deal with a no trade clause. Koivu did. We all know the big bucks are dished out for playoff hockey heroics. That's why Koivu got his green: because the Habs believe that come playoff time, Koivu will step up. Ribs also doesn't wear the C on his jersey. Koivu does.

So the Habs success this year depends on their leaders and stars, NOT their second-line players. If Ribs has a successful series, will that make it easier for the Habs to win?

YES.

But if and only if Koivu and the first line are running on all cylinders.

Bottom line is this: you will not beat a team like Carolina if one line is producing and the others aren't. So the playoffs isn't a time for Ribs to step up. It isn't a time for Bulis to step up. It's a time for the ENTIRE TEAM to step up and leave it all out on the ice. That's all we can ask for.

So instead of singling out players for criticism BEFORE the series has even started, let's agree that the only way the Habs are beating the Canes is if every single player plays hard and with the effort that the "CH" on their chests deserves.

-- Edited by Pablo Honey at 00:19, 2006-04-20

AB Habman · Guru

Pablo Honey wrote:

JohnM wrote: Ok, we all know what time of year it is. It's playoff time, the time where Ribs pulls the disappearing act. Now is his chance to show that he is not a floater and can actually contribute. It will be players like him who can make a difference. We know we will get contributions from Koivu, Kovy and Markov. The question is will players like Ribs, Bonk, Souray and Bulis step up to the plate come crunch time... As much as it might pain you to do this, you need to step back and realize that there's more pressure on Koivu than on Ribs to perform. Ribs didn't just sign a multi-million dollar deal with a no trade clause. Koivu did. We all know the big bucks are dished out for playoff hockey heroics. That's why Koivu got his green: because the Habs believe that come playoff time, Koivu will step up. Ribs also doesn't wear the C on his jersey. Koivu does. So the Habs success this year depends on their leaders and stars, NOT their second-line players. If Ribs has a successful series, will that make it easier for the Habs to win? YES. But if and only if Koivu and the first line are running on all cylinders. Bottom line is this: you will not beat a team like Carolina if one line is producing and the others aren't. So the playoffs isn't a time for Ribs to step up. It isn't a time for Bulis to step up. It's a time for the ENTIRE TEAM to step up and leave it all out on the ice. That's all we can ask for. So instead of singling out players for criticism BEFORE the series has even started, let's agree that the only way the Habs are beating the Canes is if every single player plays hard and with the effort that the "CH" on their chests deserves.-- Edited by Pablo Honey at 00:19, 2006-04-20

Good post!

Habtastic · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Ok, we all know what time of year it is. It's playoff time, the time where Ribs pulls the disappearing act. Now is his chance to show that he is not a floater and can actually contribute. It will be players like him who can make a difference. We know we will get contributions from Koivu, Kovy and Markov. The question is will players like Ribs, Bonk, Souray and Bulis step up to the plate come crunch time...

Did he ever show up to begin with?! :)

As for Koivu, in 40 Play-off games he has 34pts for a .85 clip. Pretty darn good!

And Yes Pablo, you wrote exactly what I was going to... everybody has got to have game!

Habtastic

-- Edited by Habtastic at 05:32, 2006-04-20

JohnM · Guru

Well put, everyone has to show up... I posted that I believe Koivu, Kovy and Markov would. The question was will Ribs because with no second line, we will have an early round exit.

barry33 · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Well put, everyone has to show up... I posted that I believe Koivu, Kovy and Markov would. The question was will Ribs because with no second line, we will have an early round exit.

Johnny- I feel you are putting way too much value on Ribiero's value to this team. They have been a success all year in spite of Ribs, not because of him. Yes it will be a big help if somehow Ribs makes a huge contribution...but to say that he is the key to success in this series is an exageration IMHO.

JohnM · Guru

Actually what I was originally stating in this post before AB turned it into a bash Saku post was that Ribs will need to step up in the real season to prove last year was not the real Ribs. If he can do that he will likely stay in a Habs uniform. If not, he will be gone in the offseason. Also, with no secondary scoring a team isn't gonna get far in the playoffs. I never said he will be a key to success, just don't do the vanishing act of last year.

For the part about your main guys contributing, that is obvious, n'est pas?

AB Habman · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Actually what I was originally stating in this post before AB turned it into a bash Saku post was that Ribs will need to step up in the real season to prove last year was not the real Ribs. If he can do that he will likely stay in a Habs uniform. If not, he will be gone in the offseason. Also, with no secondary scoring a team isn't gonna get far in the playoffs. I never said he will be a key to success, just don't do the vanishing act of last year. For the part about your main guys contributing, that is obvious, n'est pas?

Sounds familier...kind of like a Saks thread turning into Ribs bashing.

Anyways, I wasn't bashing your hero...just making sure you understand that the responsiblity of the team's success or failure will lie on his shoulders way more than Ribs. Ribs isn't a core player.

JohnM · Guru

So what you are saying is that a team's second line center isn't a core player. Very interesting philosophy about playoff hockey. I am suprised you aren't coaching or more highly involved with the sport. You should give up your day job, lol.

AB Habman · Guru

JohnM wrote:

So what you are saying is that a team's second line center isn't a core player. Very interesting philosophy about playoff hockey. I am suprised you aren't coaching or more highly involved with the sport. You should give up your day job, lol.

You're pulling at straws just to insult me. Ribs has never been a core player and you know it.

Again, one last time John... I mean the core of the team has to deliver or it's redundent what the others do because we'll have no chance against Canes...players like Souray, Rivet, Kovy and Saks have to lead the way.

JohnM · Guru

Yes, you are correct. They do have to lead the way. I believe I said that in my original post, maybe you missed it. There also have to be guys like Ribs (second line center on this team right now) who have to pick up their play and chip in if this team is going to go anywhere.

24 Rings · Guru

Ok, now back to the original topic.

Time for Ribs to show if he can cut it...

...NEWSFLASH: HE CAN'T!!!!!!!!!

Muller93 · Guru

AB Habman wrote:

If our core players don't step up and lead this team, it doesn't mean squat what the others do because we're going nowhere especially against Canes. Leaders lead and periferal players will follow. Remember, we have a chance of winning with core players playing hard(Boston win) and our second line dogging it, then the other way around. Nice try taking potential heat off our Captain though. Saks has to bring it....nuff said.

bULLsH###ony... Anyone who is so stunned to the fact that the so called 'key" contributors can do very little without support...is just plain lost to the game of hockey. Bullsh$##ony...AB wake up son.

Muller93 · Guru

Oh yeah and JohnM...to answer your question...he can't...he is a wuss boy.

Muller93 · Guru

barry33 wrote:

JohnM wrote: Well put, everyone has to show up... I posted that I believe Koivu, Kovy and Markov would. The question was will Ribs because with no second line, we will have an early round exit. Johnny- I feel you are putting way too much value on Ribiero's value to this team. They have been a success all year in spite of Ribs, not because of him. Yes it will be a big help if somehow Ribs makes a huge contribution...but to say that he is the key to success in this series is an exageration IMHO.

I love this one. So what you are saying is the "second" line center really has very little impact in how well a team will do in the playoffs? Sorry but as much as it pains me....Ribby by default is one of our core players going in...

barry33 · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

barry33 wrote: JohnM wrote: Well put, everyone has to show up... I posted that I believe Koivu, Kovy and Markov would. The question was will Ribs because with no second line, we will have an early round exit. Johnny- I feel you are putting way too much value on Ribiero's value to this team. They have been a success all year in spite of Ribs, not because of him. Yes it will be a big help if somehow Ribs makes a huge contribution...but to say that he is the key to success in this series is an exageration IMHO. I love this one. So what you are saying is the "second" line center really has very little impact in how well a team will do in the playoffs? Sorry but as much as it pains me....Ribby by default is one of our core players going in...

Give me a huge and colossal break Muller. How much impact has Ribs had on the habs success all year?!?? I am waiting....so why would we look for a huge contribution come playoff time? Yes it is a shame that for now he is the second line center. Blame Bob Gainey for that. Obviously he felt he was ok as he did nothing to get a center at the trade deadline. We are stuck with Ribs for now, get over it. But to indicate that the teams success in the playtoffs hinges on his performance, considering he did very little to contribute to the team's regular season success, is ludicrous to say the least. As far as I am concerned this was just one of another very long line of threads started to evoke a response.

Ab and And-O start a thread that is anti-Koivu, John or yourself start a thread that will evoke a response regarding Ribiero, Bonk, or anyone not names Saku. Then you blame these guys for posting negative posts.

JohnM · Guru

Can I add your posts about CJ or how every coach is great and the GM's should be fired in there?

Just kidding barry, you are the MAN! LOL!

Muller93 · Guru

barry33 wrote:

Muller93 wrote: barry33 wrote: JohnM wrote: Well put, everyone has to show up... I posted that I believe Koivu, Kovy and Markov would. The question was will Ribs because with no second line, we will have an early round exit. Johnny- I feel you are putting way too much value on Ribiero's value to this team. They have been a success all year in spite of Ribs, not because of him. Yes it will be a big help if somehow Ribs makes a huge contribution...but to say that he is the key to success in this series is an exageration IMHO. I love this one. So what you are saying is the "second" line center really has very little impact in how well a team will do in the playoffs? Sorry but as much as it pains me....Ribby by default is one of our core players going in... Give me a huge and colossal break Muller. How much impact has Ribs had on the habs success all year?!?? I am waiting....so why would we look for a huge contribution come playoff time? Yes it is a shame that for now he is the second line center. Blame Bob Gainey for that. Obviously he felt he was ok as he did nothing to get a center at the trade deadline. We are stuck with Ribs for now, get over it. But to indicate that the teams success in the playtoffs hinges on his performance, considering he did very little to contribute to the team's regular season success, is ludicrous to say the least. As far as I am concerned this was just one of another very long line of threads started to evoke a response. Ab and And-O start a thread that is anti-Koivu, John or yourself start a thread that will evoke a response regarding Ribiero, Bonk, or anyone not names Saku. Then you blame these guys for posting negative posts.

Well what is being said is quite simple. If Ribs plays like he did all year( which is really no suprise to me), then we can expect the same outcome that the regular season records indicate...Carolina by a country mile.

So Barry you are correct....Ribby did very little this year and the habs regular season stats reflect our lack of a real second line center. BUT...Gainey signed him to a laughable one year contract on purpose...he knew he sucked( french media on the other hand).

What I was saying is....we will ultimately see who was right in the playoffs....Gainey or the french media...let's hope it was the french media...otherwise Carolina in 4...

barry33 · Guru

What I was saying is....we will ultimately see who was right in the playoffs....Gainey or the french media...let's hope it was the french media...otherwise Carolina in 4...Muller

So Mulsey you are already have a scapegoat picked out for Gainey if we lose? I just happen to think it is much bigger than Mike Ribiero (and no I am NOT a Ribs fan..I think I have made that clear). When Gainey held his press conference after making the coaching change he stated two reasons and quote:

" The change needed to be made because our best players were NOT playing up to their capabilities and we were showing an inability to hold a lead in the 3rd period and losing games we were ahead in".- Bob Gainey- Jan '06

Well fast forward to April, 82 games gone in the season. Our best players are still not playing up to their capabilities (yes I would certainly include Mike Ribiero in that group but it is certainly not a mutually exclusive club). And in the past 2 weeks we have lost several games in which we held the lead in the 3rd period. THOSE are the reasons that we may fail against Carolina. These issues have not been fixed yet.

24 Rings · Guru

barry33 wrote:

...way too much value on Ribiero's value to this team. They have been a success all year in spite of Ribs, not because of him. Yes it will be a big help if somehow Ribs makes a huge contribution...but to say that he is the key to success in this series is an exageration IMHO.

I absolutely agree. He is NOT an impact player but can help out when he is on, which is not a lot of the time, in my opinion. He has no size, doesn't use his speed (does he even have any? cause I have never seen him race anyone to the puck) and is reluctant to go into corners. He is gonna have to pick up his play, because he is one of the most creative guys on the ice when he wants to be. In order to beat the 'Canes we are going to need 110% from everyone which hasn't happened all that much this season. As far as motivation goes, I can't think of any more reason than retribution for getting their asses kicked 4 times this season.