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…because And-o can’t see the difference! Can you see the difference?

Both Pleks and Koivu pass the puck extremely well. Both rarely shoot. Both kill penalties well. Both can stickhandle well. Both share the same skating style. Both are roughly the same size. Both perform fairly well in the face-off circle.

In fact, except for ice-time, pay-scales, linemates, the letter 'C', facial hair and a turtle neck…the two could be identical twins!

...And-o is not certain if this is more of a complement to Plekanec...or an insult to Koivu ~ but think about it!

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P.S. Regarding the 'Turtleneck'...why is he cold???



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Ando wrote:

P.S. Regarding the 'Turtleneck'...why is he cold???
Maybe he has a "hickey"

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...maybe he has a 'hickey' from Saku! LOL!!!

Seriously though...I can't see the difference Barry33!

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You obviously are watching the games with your blinders on again And-O



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beakermania wrote:

  You obviously are watching the games with your blinders on again And-O


I dont think so.....i think Pleks and Koivu are actually much alike as well!



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Ando wrote:
…because And-o can’t see the difference! Can you see the difference?


Somewhere in the region of 4 million?

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They may have a similar style, and hopefully Pleks will develop into a Saku like player down the road. but right now if I'm the Canes coaching staff, i am thinking about stopping Saku, I am not too worried about Plekanec.

At this stage in their careers Saku is 10x the threat Plekanec is.

Don't get me wrong, I like Pleks, I am a huge Pleks supporter, but he is still a rookie.

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To suggest Pleky at this stage can do Saks job, is not something I would agree with.

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Hopefully Pleks will become the player that Saku is. If so we are in good shape for years to come.



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To suggest Pleky at this stage can do Saks job, is not something I would agree with.
Good way to put it.  And, oh, don't forget the leadership that Saks brings.  We're talking 10 years more NHL experience.  Plekanec, in my opinion, should be a top 6 player on the team for a good part of the next few years.  Saku has been for the past many.  So, we haven't been super successful but neither have 90% of the other teams.

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Hopefully Pleks will become the player that Saku is.

...JohnM...if Pleks shaved, got PP time and more money, new linemates and lost the 'turtleneck'...he'd already be the player that Saku is!


Clearly, Saku gets the nod in terms of experience...but there is precious little difference!


I guess this bodes well for the future so long as Gainey gets serious about upgrading the centre spot!



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Koivu is known to be a playoff warrior.  An area Pleks has never experienced.  Koivu is leadership personified and hopefully this will rub off on our young players because they are our future.

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Ando wrote:

JohnM wrote: Hopefully Pleks will become the player that Saku is. ...JohnM...if Pleks shaved, got PP time and more money, new linemates and lost the 'turtleneck'...he'd already be the player that Saku is! Clearly, Saku gets the nod in terms of experience...but there is precious little difference! I guess this bodes well for the future so long as Gainey gets serious about upgrading the centre spot!

 Totally agree! They really do emulate each other out there. I thought that earlier on also to the point that if the rookie is already doing what the ten year vet is and would produce relative to Saks ice time, that he would over take him in first line duties by next season IF GAINEY KEEPS OUR CENTER POSITION THE SAME.


 Like Saks, Plecs may be an inconsistent player also, due to burn out. When I made predictions for next season, he was playing well but then tanked it for a while only to play better lately again.


 Maybe they emulate each other too much for the future..we already have too many smurfs that can't handle first line center duties.


 We may end up with 3 second line centers. Saks, Ribs and Plecs. Trade Plecs and Ribs for an elite man for number one...I hope.


 



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I agree with you And-o, Pleks has a lot in common with Saku. But he's not quite at that level in terms of results at this point. He hasn't fully proved himself yet, and Pleks has had many more invisible stretches than Koivu this season, but I am hopeful that he will mature and get rid of those.

I like Pleks quick adjustment to the NHL. Maybe he won't be a big leader, but he showed a lot of maturity early. Let's hope he can develop into a top regular.

Question remains, can this team accomodate all those little centres? Someone will have to go.

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Like Rechi said today on the team 990, he loves Sak as a player and a person and the Habs are lucky to have him as captain. He said it will be a tough series to play in because he knows what a competitor Saku is.


Here are some stats for your comparison:


Sak was turning 21 when he broke into the NHL. He played 82 games and had 45 points, 20 goals and 25 assists. He was 3rd line center back then behind Turgeon and Damphousse.


Pleks turned 23 when he entered. He played in 67 games and had 29 points, 9 goals and 20 assists. He also was 3rd line center behind Sak and Ribs.


I think it's too early to tell where Pleks will be in the future but he's 2 years older than Saku was when he came in. So far he's a good 3rd line center. Even though some say Koivu was inconsistent this year, he actually has more PPG then his average over his career (.86 PPG).



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JohnM wrote:

Like Rechi said today on the team 990, he loves Sak as a player and a person and the Habs are lucky to have him as captain. He said it will be a tough series to play in because he knows what a competitor Saku is. Here are some stats for your comparison: Sak was turning 21 when he broke into the NHL. He played 82 games and had 45 points, 20 goals and 25 assists. He was 3rd line center back then behind Turgeon and Damphousse. Pleks turned 23 when he entered. He played in 67 games and had 29 points, 9 goals and 20 assists. He also was 3rd line center behind Sak and Ribs. I think it's too early to tell where Pleks will be in the future but he's 2 years older than Saku was when he came in. So far he's a good 3rd line center. Even though some say Koivu was inconsistent this year, he actually has more PPG then his average over his career (.86 PPG).
John, great job with the stats.  How can you argue with that?  They'll find a way I'm sure  

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JohnM wrote: Like Rechi said today on the team 990, he loves Sak as a player and a person and the Habs are lucky to have him as captain. He said it will be a tough series to play in because he knows what a competitor Saku is. Here are some stats for your comparison: Sak was turning 21 when he broke into the NHL. He played 82 games and had 45 points, 20 goals and 25 assists. He was 3rd line center back then behind Turgeon and Damphousse. Pleks turned 23 when he entered. He played in 67 games and had 29 points, 9 goals and 20 assists. He also was 3rd line center behind Sak and Ribs. I think it's too early to tell where Pleks will be in the future but he's 2 years older than Saku was when he came in. So far he's a good 3rd line center. Even though some say Koivu was inconsistent this year, he actually has more PPG then his average over his career (.86 PPG). John, great job with the stats.  How can you argue with that?  They'll find a way I'm sure  
 The irony of John and his stats are...lets not base Saks overinflated pay on his stats but just use them to compare at our convenience. When someone makes a point of saying how weak his stats are in comparison to his big contract..then all of a sudden, it isn't about the stats anymore.

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Although Pleks is similar to Koivu (I called him Saku Jr. earlier in the season) he is also a poor man's Saku. The scouting report on him is is that he will be a decent second-line center, whereas Saku is a decent first-line center. Saks also brings more leadership and add that to his loyalty and sacrifice to the team and city, you have the reason for his contract. I like Pleks, but he is Saku Jr.

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Sorry AB, I was basing Sak's stats up to this year, where he is earning 3.2 million. I can find alot of players earning more than that who aren't contributing. It's ok if you don't understand the numbers, just let me know.

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Hmm...if this based on their similarities in style, I might agree but to compare a Rookie with a work horse veteran like Koivu may be stretching it. Maybe in a couple of years, when Pleks actually has the chance to prove himself. In any case, he has to become much more of a gritty player to be compared to Koivu. He definately has the potential to do that.

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Of course there are similarities but to say they are unterchangeble is rubbish and propaganda to prop up the cause. Koivu is good, get over it guys. Plek can become good as well. Maybe you should post on the deja-vu message board. Your repetitive reduncies and rehashed echoing comments are getting old.

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