Canucks are done

AB Habman · Guru

Canucks are done

The Kahuna · Guru

Pass, to much "attitude" in that locker room to take any of them on with their baggage. I hate to see any Canadian team out...but if two got to be out, Vancouver & Toronto would be my choices

Habtastic · Guru

I'm with you, Kahuna. And Vancouver wouild never trade Bert and Naslund for Kovalev and Ribs... maybe one of them for that combo. Naslund I would like, but not Bert.

Habtastic

barry33 · Guru

The Kahuna wrote:

Pass, to much "attitude" in that locker room to take any of them on with their baggage. I hate to see any Canadian team out...but if two got to be out, Vancouver & Toronto would be my choices

Unfortunately, one of the best coaches in the league in Marc Crawford, will once again lose his job because he could not motivate (better known as babysit) a bunch of over paid and underachieving crybabies. Look for Crawford to re-surface in either Torontgo or Beantown.

Habs and Avs Fan · Veteran Member

So we tried hard to get Bertuzzi to Montreal so I'm guessing we will again during the off season, can't wait for that! If Vancouver would have had Cloutier for the remainding 30+ games then they would have made it I think.

rwp2le · Guru

barry33 wrote:

Unfortunately, one of the best coaches in the league in Marc Crawford, will once again lose his job because he could not motivate (better known as babysit) a bunch of over paid and underachieving crybabies. Look for Crawford to re-surface in either Torontgo or Beantown.

Barry, I have to disagree. A great coach can motivate players, no matter who they are. Look at Scotty Bowman with Brett Hull. This guy is the poster boy for the premadonna NHL player. He played his best hockey as a 38 year old (give or take a few years). Crawford may be a great hockey mind, but he failed as a coach. You look at great coaches, and what they do is get the best out of everyone. I think the biggest job coaching at the NHL level is to keep your players going. They all know how to play the game and may need some tips from time to time, but motivation is the key. Lindy Ruff is doing it now with a team with limited skill, and no size. He just makes sure his players show up to play every night. I am in no way slamming Crawford, or yourself, but a better motivator would have had the Canucks in the top 4 in the west.

superhab · Guru

rwp2le wrote:

Barry, I have to disagree. A great coach can motivate players, no matter who they are. Look at Scotty Bowman with Brett Hull. This guy is the poster boy for the premadonna NHL player. He played his best hockey as a 38 year old (give or take a few years). Crawford may be a great hockey mind, but he failed as a coach. You look at great coaches, and what they do is get the best out of everyone. I think the biggest job coaching at the NHL level is to keep your players going. They all know how to play the game and may need some tips from time to time, but motivation is the key. Lindy Ruff is doing it now with a team with limited skill, and no size. He just makes sure his players show up to play every night. I am in no way slamming Crawford, or yourself, but a better motivator would have had the Canucks in the top 4 in the west.

Don't forget that Scotty Bowman lost his job with Buffalo after being a GM coach because in a nutshell he couldn't motivate them enough to win. That and he was an awfull GM for them.

rwp2le · Guru

superhab wrote:

Don't forget that Scotty Bowman lost his job with Buffalo after being a GM coach because in a nutshell he couldn't motivate them enough to win. That and he was an awfull GM for them.

Very good point. And I in no way was saying Bowman is the greatest coach of all times, was an example I could think of off the top of my swolen, slightly hung over head.

habgirl · Guru

Habs and Avs Fan wrote:

So we tried hard to get Bertuzzi to Montreal so I'm guessing we will again during the off season, can't wait for that! If Vancouver would have had Cloutier for the remainding 30+ games then they would have made it I think.

Hold up...I don't really believe that Gainey tried hard for Bert and with good reasons...salary, headcase, baggage and locker room problems (like we didn't have enough of our own at deadline).

And Cloutier? Please H&A Fan - have you witnessed Vancouver's past meltdowns in the playoffs with Dan in nets? From center ice - HE SHOOTS, HE SCORES!!! Cloutier then went from pretty good to absolutely terrible in two games.

I know, I know, Theo also disappointed, but I believe there will be a comeback case there - with Cloutier, ya have to wonder. Too many stints on the IR list and too many bench penalties because the goalie lost his noodle.

Now, Jovo...I would love to see in a Habs jersey despite his recent injuries(paired with Souray - that would be fun to watch). Nazzy/Bert - no thanks. And Cloutier - NAH.

Habs and Avs Fan · Veteran Member

habgirl wrote:

Habs and Avs Fan wrote:
So we tried hard to get Bertuzzi to Montreal so I'm guessing we will again during the off season, can't wait for that! If Vancouver would have had Cloutier for the remainding 30+ games then they would have made it I think.

Hold up...I don't really believe that Gainey tried hard for Bert and with good reasons...salary, headcase, baggage and locker room problems (like we didn't have enough of our own at deadline).
And Cloutier? Please H&A Fan - have you witnessed Vancouver's past meltdowns in the playoffs with Dan in nets? From center ice - HE SHOOTS, HE SCORES!!! Cloutier then went from pretty good to absolutely terrible in two games.
I know, I know, Theo also disappointed, but I believe there will be a comeback case there - with Cloutier, ya have to wonder. Too many stints on the IR list and too many bench penalties because the goalie lost his noodle.
Now, Jovo...I would love to see in a Habs jersey despite his recent injuries(paired with Souray - that would be fun to watch). Nazzy/Bert - no thanks. And Cloutier - NAH.

Why wouldn't you want Naslund on our team ??!! He's better than anyone on our team, got a 104 pts and scored 48 goals....

habsforeverfan · Veteran Member

AB Habman wrote:

How about that. I'm sure there will be jobs lost and players traded in the off season. One of them is big Bert. He wants out. Also, Naslund hates Linden and may want out unless Linden retires to be Mr. Union. I would trade Kovy and Ribs for Bert and Naslund. Those guys are still skilled players that just need a change. Anyways Gainey won't be aggressive like that but some team will claim them and probably in the east.

I hope BG doesn't trade for Bert. He takes so many bone head penalties and doesn't learn. It always ends up costing the Canucks. I don't really care if it happens to the canucks because I'm not a Vancouver fan but would hate to see Montreal get dogged down by Bert's lack of judegment on the ice. As for Naslund I think he will retire and go back to Sweden. That is what he indicated before this season started and was a major "IF" about playing this year at all.

I didn't know that Naslund hated Linden.

You're right about Linden working for the NHLPA. I think he is more concerned about union issues rather than playing good hockey.

Go HABS!

The Kahuna · Guru

habgirl wrote:

I know, I know, Theo also disappointed, but I believe there will be a comeback case there - with Cloutier, ya have to wonder. Too many stints on the IR list and too many bench penalties because the goalie lost his noodle.

Cloutier "shaking my head violently" This guy is flat out a lousy goalie and always has been. How a guy can even be considered a number one NHL goalie, when the only thing he's ever done consistenly is to melt down under pressure. If you can't count on your goalie EVERY YEAR get rid of him. That and he has the same mask as Healy make him my most hated active goalie

And HEY! Will you guys stop turning EVERY thread into a The bash

-- Edited by The Kahuna at 11:27, 2006-04-15

habgirl · Guru

Habs and Avs Fan wrote:

Nazzy/Bert - no thanks. And Cloutier - NAH. Why wouldn't you want Naslund on our team ??!! He's better than anyone on our team, got a 104 pts and scored 48 goals....

Don't get me wrong, I like Nazzy. I just think he lost the room at GM Place and could not get it back, despite being best buddies with Bert (at one time anyway, who knows any more). I would like to see him in a Habs jersey but his salary is too prohibitive. Don't forget - most of his goals were scored when the so-called Big Line in Vancouver was firing on all cylinders. When the line started misfiring, so did Naslund.

beakermania · Senior Member

barry33 wrote:

Unfortunately, one of the best coaches in the league in Marc Crawford, will once again lose his job because he could not motivate (better known as babysit) a bunch of over paid and underachieving crybabies. Look for Crawford to re-surface in either Torontgo or Beantown.

Marc Crawford will never be a great coach in my books. He is still the man who left the greatest goal scorer of all time on the bench during a shootout in the Semi-Finals of the olympics. I will never forgive or forget such a mistake, Not using Gretzky is unacceptable. No matter what he has accomplishe before or since that moment.

The Kahuna · Guru

beakermania wrote:

Marc Crawford will never be a great coach in my books. He is still the man who left the greatest goal scorer of all time on the bench during a shootout in the Semi-Finals of the olympics. I will never forgive or forget such a mistake, Not using Gretzky is unacceptable. No matter what he has accomplishe before or since that moment.

That's the wrong reason to condemn Crawford, while I've never cared for him as a coach, Gretzky was never great on breakaways...even he'll admit that. I would imagine that Gretzky supported or even suggestd that Crawford leave him out of the shootout.

beakermania · Senior Member

While it is true Wayne was never great on Breakaways % wise, he was a clutch hockey player. Listened to him on a radio show recently (6 mths- year) and they asked him about his breakaway %, he said yeah i missed a lot of chances on breakaways, but you know what, I can never remember missing a breakaway when our team needed a goal late in the game and it was all on the line. I always prided myself on coming up big when it counted and I honstly cannot remember missing one in a clutch situation. Obviously with Wayne the way he said it was much more humble than that, and Nagano was never brought up in the interview, but it was an interesting thing to think about.

As far as not wanting to shoot. Wayne Gretzky would always want the puck on his stick in a clutch situation. Thats the way he is. It would be like Michael Jordan turning down a championship winning shot with 1 sec left because Steve Kerr had a better 3pt % or something like that.

The Kahuna · Guru

No knock on Gretz at all, I was a big fan and I got to meet him briefly at the airport on a few occasions. Excellent ambasedor for hockey and a very accomodating guy. I never once saw him turn down an autograph or be mean to anybody. Still, not my first choice on a breakaway

But I hear what you're saying, as one of the great clutch players of all time, he would find a way to get it done when it was on the line.

plouf · Guru

habgirl wrote:

Habs and Avs Fan wrote: Nazzy/Bert - no thanks. And Cloutier - NAH. Why wouldn't you want Naslund on our team ??!! He's better than anyone on our team, got a 104 pts and scored 48 goals.... Don't get me wrong, I like Nazzy. I just think he lost the room at GM Place and could not get it back, despite being best buddies with Bert (at one time anyway, who knows any more). I would like to see him in a Habs jersey but his salary is too prohibitive. Don't forget - most of his goals were scored when the so-called Big Line in Vancouver was firing on all cylinders. When the line started misfiring, so did Naslund.

Naslund is a great player. And even if he's not related to Mats, wouldn't you want a Naslund on our team?