Hey Muller or someone with medical knowledge.

AB Habman · Guru

Hey Muller or someone with medical knowledge.

Ando · Guru

Ahhh Ab!!! Seeking medical assessments from Mulsy is like seeking driving directions from Stevie Wonder!

NOW And-o has seen EVERYTHING on GOHABS.COM!!!

Honestly folks...what's next???...are we going to have Barry33 post his thesis on "Quantum Physics in the New Millenium"???...or how 'bout Forum Fan posting his paper on "Critiquing Abnormal Behaviour Amongst Termite Colonies in East Africa"???

...somebody get And-o a drink!

AB Habman · Guru

Ando wrote:

Ahhh Ab!!! Seeking medical assessments from Mulsy is like seeking driving directions from Stevie Wonder! NOW And-o has seen EVERYTHING on GOHABS.COM!!! Honestly folks...what's next???...are we going to have Barry33 post his thesis on "Quantum Physics in the New Millenium"???...or how 'bout Forum Fan posting his paper on "Critiquing Abnormal Behaviour Amongst Termite Colonies in East Africa"??? ...somebody get And-o a drink!

Yeh, they were quite the questions but I've always been curious about this sort of injury amongst hockey players and why they call it a cracked rib if they can't be seen on film.

And-o, what's your take on the termites?

Nil d · Guru

Ando wrote:

Ahhh Ab!!! Seeking medical assessments from Mulsy is like seeking driving directions from Stevie Wonder! NOW And-o has seen EVERYTHING on GOHABS.COM!!! Honestly folks...what's next???...are we going to have Barry33 post his thesis on "Quantum Physics in the New Millenium"???...or how 'bout Forum Fan posting his paper on "Critiquing Abnormal Behaviour Amongst Termite Colonies in East Africa"??? ...somebody get And-o a drink!

And replying to such drivel is like beating my head against the wall, but here goes............

What is with you And-o, that you feel the need to insult Muller? That twice in two days. What has he ever done to you? Your crass comments are rude, unreasoned, and unnecessary. Are you trying to get your posts deleted so you can bitch some more about Big Brother?

Give it a rest. Please.

Habtastic · Guru

I can answer your question because I played sports after breaking my ribs. Yes, it is harder to breathe, yes, you need to tape up and yes, you need major drugs (I was on pure codein and almost became addicted). But when the adrenaline starts to fly, you start to forget about it, just like when players play with sprains and cracks to other body parts.
You also need to be constantly aware of where people are in position to your body because any hit you take is magnified and can cause further damage. Players probably know cracked ribs from experience and an MRI would probably be precise enough to diagnose it anyway. That is usually what a player gets, as I believe it can see through swelling far better than an x-ray. Muller can definitely be more precise about the diagnostic part.

Habtastic

Ando · Guru

Nil d wrote:

What is with you And-o, that you feel the need to insult Muller? That twice in two days. What has he ever done to you? Your crass comments are rude, unreasoned, and unnecessary. Are you trying to get your posts deleted so you can bitch some more about Big Brother? Give it a rest.

And-o and Mulsy have a mutual respect ~ as in, ZERO!

Mulsy knows that he is the 'ying' to And-o's 'yang'!!!

And-o fears that GOHABS really is sick if this kind of community family based love/hate rivalry fades any further!!!

Nil d · Guru

Ando wrote:

Nil d wrote: What is with you And-o, that you feel the need to insult Muller? That twice in two days. What has he ever done to you? Your crass comments are rude, unreasoned, and unnecessary. Are you trying to get your posts deleted so you can bitch some more about Big Brother? Give it a rest. And-o and Mulsy have a mutual respect ~ as in, ZERO! Mulsy knows that he is the 'ying' to And-o's 'yang'!!! And-o fears that GOHABS really is sick if this kind of community family based love/hate rivalry fades any further!!!

I've read that line several times and I am trying to see what you mean, but like another poster (sorry I forget who, but I loved the line) said a few days ago "it's not happening"...........

Nil d · Guru

Habtastic wrote:

I can answer your question because I played sports after breaking my ribs. Yes, it is harder to breathe, yes, you need to tape up and yes, you need major drugs (I was on pure codein and almost became addicted). But when the adrenaline starts to fly, you start to forget about it, just like when players play with sprains and cracks to other body parts. You also need to be constantly aware of where people are in position to your body because any hit you take is magnified and can cause further damage. Players probably know cracked ribs from experience and an MRI would probably be precise enough to diagnose it anyway. That is usually what a player gets, as I believe it can see through swelling far better than an x-ray. Muller can definitely be more precise about the diagnostic part. Habtastic

I played a game some five years ago and got slammed into the boards really hard (yeah, a typical night in the CA Gentlemen's Hockey League). Once I regained my breath, I continued to play, even though there was a nagging soreness in my side (even scored a goal).

The next morning I was stiff, but no big deal. Then around 10:00 while sitting at my desk, I sneezed - - - - and had the most excruciating pain go through me I have ever felt before or since. I got myself to the nearest clinic and X-rays showed one cracked rib. I was off skates for several weeks while it healed.

I simply can't imagine playing contact hockey with broken ribs.

Ando · Guru

Nil d wrote:

...I've read that line several times and I am trying to see what you mean,

See if this helps.....this ain't the only game in town!

Isn't losing several veteran GOHABBERS worse than saving one 'moderator'???

Figaro is a nuisance...he'll either get over it...or he won't before others leave!

AB Habman · Guru

Thanks for the answers guys. I was thinking I was a wuss then, but man I was in some pain! Maybe if I would of had an MRI back then, it's possible I could of had a cracked rib all along? It sounds like that's what the players get to find these things out. I guess the modalities are more readily available to them as opposed to the average civilian.

Anyways, kudos to the players that can play through this type of pain where it hurts just to breath.

JohnM · Guru

AB Habman wrote:

Thanks for the answers guys. I was thinking I was a wuss then, but man I was in some pain! Maybe if I would of had an MRI back then, it's possible I could of had a cracked rib all along? It sounds like that's what the players get to find these things out. I guess the modalities are more readily available to them as opposed to the average civilian. Anyways, kudos to the players that can play through this type of pain where it hurts just to breath.

Is that a kudos to Saku? Wow...

AB Habman · Guru

JohnM wrote:

AB Habman wrote: Thanks for the answers guys. I was thinking I was a wuss then, but man I was in some pain! Maybe if I would of had an MRI back then, it's possible I could of had a cracked rib all along? It sounds like that's what the players get to find these things out. I guess the modalities are more readily available to them as opposed to the average civilian. Anyways, kudos to the players that can play through this type of pain where it hurts just to breath. Is that a kudos to Saku? Wow...

Yes, if he truly had a confirmed rib fracture? They're painful.

Although don't be so hard on Thornton. The rumour was the same for Saks, cracked rib but also with major back spasm. From what I remember, the guy couldn't tie his own skates at the time. It all made sense after the fact with Thornton. He's just too good to play that poorly then.

JohnM · Guru

Actually Saku pretty much dominated Thornton in the two playoff series they've played against each other. Let's just say Saku had his number.

Saku11 · Senior Member

Ab, iam in the medical field and i can tell you that a cracked rib sometimes, can be tough to see. Although in many cases a cracked Rib is 99% on the lateral sides of your body, thus the difficulty in seeing them because, when a Dr orders a chest x ray, its usually anterior and posterior, never laterally. So it can be tough to see.

AB Habman · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Actually Saku pretty much dominated Thornton in the two playoff series they've played against each other. Let's just say Saku had his number.

Lets just say, no one dominated anyone. They were two very close series that could of bounced either way.

JohnM · Guru

Could've, should've, would've, didn't.

Habs won and continued there dominance over the pathetic Bruins. Bruins management didn't want another chance for Koivu to shut down their big #1 center so they traded him to SJ.

plouf · Guru

Nil d wrote:

Ando wrote: Ahhh Ab!!! Seeking medical assessments from Mulsy is like seeking driving directions from Stevie Wonder! NOW And-o has seen EVERYTHING on GOHABS.COM!!! Honestly folks...what's next???...are we going to have Barry33 post his thesis on "Quantum Physics in the New Millenium"???...or how 'bout Forum Fan posting his paper on "Critiquing Abnormal Behaviour Amongst Termite Colonies in East Africa"??? ...somebody get And-o a drink! And replying to such drivel is like beating my head against the wall, but here goes............ What is with you And-o, that you feel the need to insult Muller? That twice in two days. What has he ever done to you? Your crass comments are rude, unreasoned, and unnecessary. Are you trying to get your posts deleted so you can bitch some more about Big Brother? Give it a rest. Please.

I may be way off base here, since I don't know the history, but I have a feeling Muller will find this entertaining, not hurtful.

Pablo Honey · Veteran Member

plouf wrote:

I may be way off base here, since I don't know the history, but I have a feeling Muller will find this entertaining, not hurtful.

I concur.

The banter between Muller and And-O is one of the little nuances that keeps this place charming.

It's like when my mom stopped throwing plates at my dads head, the house kind of felt weird...

AB Habman · Guru

Saku11 wrote:

Ab, iam in the medical field and i can tell you that a cracked rib sometimes, can be tough to see. Although in many cases a cracked Rib is 99% on the lateral sides of your body, thus the difficulty in seeing them because, when a Dr orders a chest x ray, its usually anterior and posterior, never laterally. So it can be tough to see.

Thanks Saku 11. If I remember right,(it was long ago) I think I had about 4 x-rays. One from the back which I think was for my lungs, then a few the Technician said were specifically for my ribs of which she turned me sort of part way for.

Also, I remember the Doctor saying something about a crack or fracture sometimes showing up in a wk. to ten days because it needs the new bone callus on it to see it, if it isn't an obvious displaced fracture. Does this sound right?

I remember it being an interesting thing that the Doctor couldn't tell me for sure even after the x-rays. I almost had to ask...why radiate me to start with? but then I think he was more worried about my lung.

In respect to hockey players, it just sounds so far fetched that a player always seems to be playing with a fracture or crack when #1 they're hard to see #2 they're so dam painful #3 a player would be thrown into an MRI scanner at a whim.

I guess this is why it's on my mind.

Habtastic · Guru

It's also one reason why they are paid millions! lol

Habtastic

Nil d · Guru

Ando wrote:

Nil d wrote: ...I've read that line several times and I am trying to see what you mean, See if this helps.....this ain't the only game in town! Isn't losing several veteran GOHABBERS worse than saving one 'moderator'??? Figaro is a nuisance...he'll either get over it...or he won't before others leave!

Don't ask questions you don't want the answer to.................

Muller93 · Guru

AB, Sorry for the delay in responding. Really busy day at work.

In any case, I think the posts got it spot on anyhow. AB, you mentioned about displaced/non-displaced. That is the ticket. Radiographically, if it is a so called "cracked" rib, it might not show on X-ray until the process of calcification occurs. Thus the inability to conclusively state cracked ribs until perhaps a re-X-ray in about 2 weeks time( even then???). Most Physicians would not even bother with a re-X-ray anyhow because it would not change the course of treatment.

The pain comes from the intercostal muscles yankin on the area( More pronounced with deep inhalation). Painful as hell, but the adrenelin rush of a hockey game will tend to mask that pain( I think Habtastic alluded to that).

And hey, these players are likely informed that the possiblity of a "cracked" rib exists and therefore they are more likely( very small likelihood) to fracture and puncture a lung, or worse, the heart. Some of these guys are pretty tough to make the choice to play.

Now.... And-O....You know, I figure if And-O and I went out for a couple of Keith's draft at a local bar, we would either crack each other up...or...crack each others ribs up...In the case of And-O, I figure he would attempt some crazy vulcan death grip on me, which I would counter with a flurry to the solar-plexus, and perhaps a crack over the head with a fake rock...

Ando · Guru

If Mulsy and And-o went out for a few wobbly pops...And-o would undoubtedly end-up paying.

...but Mulsy would first get a big brotherly bear-hug...a head rubb'in...and a kiss on each cheek first!!!

Muller93 · Guru

Ando wrote:

...but Mulsy would first get a big brotherly bear-hug...a head rubb'in...and a kiss on each cheek first!!!

I would be sure to wear my helmet...and I would add a sheild...full length!

Nil d · Guru

Ando wrote:

If Mulsy and And-o went out for a few wobbly pops...And-o would undoubtedly end-up paying. ...but Mulsy would first get a big brotherly bear-hug...a head rubb'in...and a kiss on each cheek first!!!

I think I liked you guys better when you were fighting!

KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AB Habman · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

AB, Sorry for the delay in responding. Really busy day at work. In any case, I think the posts got it spot on anyhow. AB, you mentioned about displaced/non-displaced. That is the ticket. Radiographically, if it is a so called "cracked" rib, it might not show on X-ray until the process of calcification occurs. Thus the inability to conclusively state cracked ribs until perhaps a re-X-ray in about 2 weeks time( even then???). Most Physicians would not even bother with a re-X-ray anyhow because it would not change the course of treatment. The pain comes from the intercostal muscles yankin on the area( More pronounced with deep inhalation). Painful as hell, but the adrenelin rush of a hockey game will tend to mask that pain( I think Habtastic alluded to that). And hey, these players are likely informed that the possiblity of a "cracked" rib exists and therefore they are more likely( very small likelihood) to fracture and puncture a lung, or worse, the heart. Some of these guys are pretty tough to make the choice to play. Now.... And-O....You know, I figure if And-O and I went out for a couple of Keith's draft at a local bar, we would either crack each other up...or...crack each others ribs up...In the case of And-O, I figure he would attempt some crazy vulcan death grip on me, which I would counter with a flurry to the solar-plexus, and perhaps a crack over the head with a fake rock...

Hey Muller, thankyou! That totally makes sense now! So these guys probably play with a suspected cracked rib but not a displaced fracture as that would be a risk. The pain is actually from the muscle attached to the ribs pulling on it?