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NEWFIEHABSFAN · Senior Member

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24 Rings · Guru

I assume this was pointed at me? First off, I don't "disrespect him", I'm just not satified with his play this season and I feel the same way about Kovalev. I was expecting a lot more in his sophmore year. It's been almost 2 years since his rookie year and I thought that Ryder may have developed into a more complete player by now. Finishing with less points than his rookie year is not an encouraging thing. Way too inconsistent and he misses a lot of opportunities that other guys would bury. He is our leading goalscorer and I can appreciate that, but he also pulls the trigger a hell of a lot more than anyone else. It is clear that he is one dimensional, and playmaking or anything else for that matter, is not part of his game. I don't dislike Ryder, I was just expecting more out of him. He's 26 years old which means he is coming into his prime, so likely the best from Ryder is just around the corner.

NEWFIEHABSFAN · Senior Member

wasn't directed at no one person, just stating the facts, and yes, your oponion has some good points! right now, it is time to watch the habs and something we both agree on: HABS WINNING THE GAME.

AB Habman · Guru

24 Rings wrote:

I assume this was pointed at me? First off, I don't "disrespect him", I'm just not satified with his play this season and I feel the same way about Kovalev. I was expecting a lot more in his sophmore year. It's been almost 2 years since his rookie year and I thought that Ryder may have developed into a more complete player by now. Finishing with less points than his rookie year is not an encouraging thing. Way too inconsistent and he misses a lot of opportunities that other guys would bury. He is our leading goalscorer and I can appreciate that, but he also pulls the trigger a hell of a lot more than anyone else. It is clear that he is one dimensional, and playmaking or anything else for that matter, is not part of his game. I don't dislike Ryder, I was just expecting more out of him. He's 26 years old which means he is coming into his prime, so likely the best from Ryder is just around the corner.

I agree!

Habtastic · Guru

I was really expecting Ryder to be a good two-way player and strong on the boards, as well as putting in 30-35 goals per year. He still has time and he has all the necessary people around him to do it, so now it comes down to his desire to be that player. Grab that ring, Ryder!

Habtastic

Figaro · Guru

I love Ryder and understand if he is going through some growing pains. He is a big part of our future.

24 Rings · Guru

I was just answering for myself, cause I have been one of his critics this season, Newfie!

He's just missing something from his game right now. He does have the tools and he is reasonably young, so I expect we will see some great things from this kid in the future. I would never think about trading him or letting him walk. He will be a part of this team as they get better, and he'll do the same.

Does the fact that he is from Newfoundland have any effect on your sympathies for him, Newfie?

Nil d · Guru

Well you know I like the guy, and have never slagged him. To restate my earlier commment - it's how many?, not how?. And at the moment it's 29. Would I like him as much if he was from The Pas, Manitoba * , rather than Atlantic Canada? Probably not. But the numbers tell the story, and he's the best scorer we have - bar none.

* Not that there's anything wrong with that.

murphy · Veteran Member

Nil d wrote:

Well you know I like the guy, and have never slagged him. To restate my earlier commment - it's how many?, not how?. And at the moment it's 29. Would I like him as much if he was from The Pas, Manitoba * , rather than Atlantic Canada? Probably not. But the numbers tell the story, and he's the best scorer we have - bar none. * Not that there's anything wrong with that.

He had a great game tonight-1st. star and all. I guess we expect him to play that way every game but as we know that will not happen. I feel he will be a good player with the Habs well into the future.

Nil d · Guru

murphy wrote:

Nil d wrote: Well you know I like the guy, and have never slagged him. To restate my earlier commment - it's how many?, not how?. And at the moment it's 29. Would I like him as much if he was from The Pas, Manitoba * , rather than Atlantic Canada? Probably not. But the numbers tell the story, and he's the best scorer we have - bar none. * Not that there's anything wrong with that. He had a great game tonight-1st. star and all. I guess we expect him to play that way every game but as we know that will not happen. I feel he will be a good player with the Habs well into the future.

Good choice for first star.

But it was one of those games when anyone of about 10 players could have been a star - Higgins, Koivu, Bulis, markov, Begin, Glenn Murray (gotta put in a plug for the Nova Scotian), Komisarek, Souray, and the list goes on....................

Really a great team effort; no weak areas at all - and against a much better Bruin team that on Saturday, with Murray, Leetch, and Gill (I think) back in the lineup. OK, a weak goal allowed by Huet (and certainly we'll allow him that one), although I'm still not convinced he wasn't screened.

Key Lime · Guru

murphy wrote:

Nil d wrote: Well you know I like the guy, and have never slagged him. To restate my earlier commment - it's how many?, not how?. And at the moment it's 29. Would I like him as much if he was from The Pas, Manitoba * , rather than Atlantic Canada? Probably not. But the numbers tell the story, and he's the best scorer we have - bar none. * Not that there's anything wrong with that. He had a great game tonight-1st. star and all. I guess we expect him to play that way every game but as we know that will not happen. I feel he will be a good player with the Habs well into the future.

Actually, I was extremely surprised that he was given 1st star. I watched the game with a friend and on 3 occassions I said what the heck is it with Ryder tonight...Besides his goal he looked slow and at times didn't seem into the play, it's like his mind was all there. Trust me on this one guys, he did not have a strong night especially to be chosen 1st star. I realy like Ryder but I feel like there are certain parts of his game that are lacking that cn't be fixed like lack of speed and quick decision making.

One thing I did learn is that you shouldn't magically expect what doesn't exist form Ryder. He's our best sniper and that's all that really matters. The only thing is that when he's in a slump, it's easy to call him out because it's not like he'll give you a side order of something extra. It really is how many and not how! I see him scoring 40 in the future.

AB Habman · Guru

Key Lime wrote:

murphy wrote: Nil d wrote: Well you know I like the guy, and have never slagged him. To restate my earlier commment - it's how many?, not how?. And at the moment it's 29. Would I like him as much if he was from The Pas, Manitoba * , rather than Atlantic Canada? Probably not. But the numbers tell the story, and he's the best scorer we have - bar none. * Not that there's anything wrong with that. He had a great game tonight-1st. star and all. I guess we expect him to play that way every game but as we know that will not happen. I feel he will be a good player with the Habs well into the future. Actually, I was extremely surprised that he was given 1st star. I watched the game with a friend and on 3 occassions I said what the heck is it with Ryder tonight...Besides his goal he looked slow and at times didn't seem into the play, it's like his mind was all there. Trust me on this one guys, he did not have a strong night especially to be chosen 1st star. I realy like Ryder but I feel like there are certain parts of his game that are lacking that cn't be fixed like lack of speed and quick decision making. One thing I did learn is that you shouldn't magically expect what doesn't exist form Ryder. He's our best sniper and that's all that really matters. The only thing is that when he's in a slump, it's easy to call him out because it's not like he'll give you a side order of something extra. It really is how many and not how! I see him scoring 40 in the future.

Key Lime, I agree and have stated to this effect many time. When he isn't scoring, he doesn't offer much else.

Tonight was an example of how predictable he is. He passed the puck to Higgins and fooled everyone in the building. He should pass more often to his mate in the open rather than shooting from silly angles.

Also, I would of liked him to show more intensity rather than have Souray come to his defense. It's not like he's a gifted smurf who can't fight his own battles. Get intense and use the body more.

Again, I don't want him traded either.

Key Lime · Guru

AB Habman wrote:

Key Lime wrote: murphy wrote: Nil d wrote: Well you know I like the guy, and have never slagged him. To restate my earlier commment - it's how many?, not how?. And at the moment it's 29. Would I like him as much if he was from The Pas, Manitoba * , rather than Atlantic Canada? Probably not. But the numbers tell the story, and he's the best scorer we have - bar none. * Not that there's anything wrong with that. He had a great game tonight-1st. star and all. I guess we expect him to play that way every game but as we know that will not happen. I feel he will be a good player with the Habs well into the future. Actually, I was extremely surprised that he was given 1st star. I watched the game with a friend and on 3 occassions I said what the heck is it with Ryder tonight...Besides his goal he looked slow and at times didn't seem into the play, it's like his mind was all there. Trust me on this one guys, he did not have a strong night especially to be chosen 1st star. I realy like Ryder but I feel like there are certain parts of his game that are lacking that cn't be fixed like lack of speed and quick decision making. One thing I did learn is that you shouldn't magically expect what doesn't exist form Ryder. He's our best sniper and that's all that really matters. The only thing is that when he's in a slump, it's easy to call him out because it's not like he'll give you a side order of something extra. It really is how many and not how! I see him scoring 40 in the future. Key Lime, I agree and have stated to this effect many time. When he isn't scoring, he doesn't offer much else. Tonight was an example of how predictable he is. He passed the puck to Higgins and fooled everyone in the building. He should pass more often to his mate in the open rather than shooting from silly angles. Also, I would of liked him to show more intensity rather than have Souray come to his defense. It's not like he's a gifted smurf who can't fight his own battles. Get intense and use the body more. Again, I don't want him traded either.

Traded...no way. I think he'll progress into a better player, if he does the work to improve. Like passing...good point. It's his second year and this is not a player that Habs should give up on.

24 Rings · Guru

I won't reneg on my earlier comments, but that pass to Higgy was a beauty. I think its clear that Ryder is a power play specialist. He doesn't score too many even strangth, but seems to pot them on the PP. Didn't they say 17 of his 29 are on the power play?

doodie · Veteran Member

NEWFIEHABSFAN wrote:

after reading a few of the topics on this site, i have come to the coclusion that most of the members of this board has no respect for ryder. this is wrong in my oponion. here's a kid who, only in his second year is leading the habs in goals! amazingly, if he was on another team, he would be shown respect.ryder still has a lot to learn in the nhl. with saku, he has a good mentor to learn from, saying , ryder would be nowhere without saku would most likely be true, but , that is part of being a captain, veteran.not only is saku mentoring ryder,but higgons too, i believe that is why gainey put this line together, to turn young players into stars of tommorow for the habs!! GIVE RESPECT WHERE RESPECT IS DUE! RESPECT RYDER, HIGGONS, AND SAKU! YOU CAN'T RESPECT ONE WITHOUT RESPECTING ALL 3 FOR THEIR TALENTS!!

He is going for 30 plus goals,in my humble opinion-- (not sure) but I think he is doing the job he was put there for "to score goals" would you say 30 goals is an excellent season ,some players are fighters,some finesse players,-he's a goal scorer
he may not be fancy with the puck,or make end to end rushes but"ME SON" he does no how to score "30 goals in his second year pretty darn good I say "GO RYDER GO"