For all Koivu Bashers!

Key Lime · Guru

For all Koivu Bashers!

davidb · Guru

OLE OLE OLE OLE THE FIRST STAR SAKU KOIVUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

JohnM · Guru

Actually 3rd star. Higgs deserved the first star.

davidb · Guru

I had to say it , I got goose bumps watching him walk in in goal. When I saw the puck trickle over the line, I was so very happy for him. Tha capt comes through

MrsHab · Veteran Member

Key Lime wrote:

Anything to say now?

Not going to get involved in another "pro or against Koivu" thing, but I am very happy for the win......and very happy for Captain Koivu. Do you think he was majorly thrilled? No doubt.

By the way, Grammarman....is "majorly" a word? Not that I really care at this point (oops! 2 points, pardonez mois).

Habual · Member

If yer gonna end a drought, end it with a highlight reel goal! Well done Kap'n!

Key Lime · Guru

Habual wrote:

If yer gonna end a drought, end it with a highlight reel goal! Well done Kap'n!

Not sure if it was highlight reel material but that goal for Saku sure had some drama behind it...

Saku11 · Senior Member

come on key ...If ribeiro got the winner, he would be a freaking hero.....realize Koivu was playing bad, and for the past 5 games hes been great. Lets not throw the "iam right you are wrong" chest thump stuff. Everyone know he's playing good , and he was playing bad!

Key Lime · Guru

Saku11 wrote:

come on key ...If ribeiro got the winner, he would be a freaking hero.....realize Koivu was playing bad, and for the past 5 games hes been great. Lets not throw the "iam right you are wrong" chest thump stuff. Everyone know he's playing good , and he was playing bad!

Huh? I'm trying to understand your post but it's not happening.

Saku11 · Senior Member

Key Lime wrote:

Saku11 wrote: come on key ...If ribeiro got the winner, he would be a freaking hero.....realize Koivu was playing bad, and for the past 5 games hes been great. Lets not throw the "iam right you are wrong" chest thump stuff. Everyone know he's playing good , and he was playing bad! Huh? I'm trying to understand your post but it's not happening.

sorry, what i meant to say was lets put a stop to the "i told you so" kind of threads. Like your thread title. uncalled for. we all criticized Koivu during the dry spell

Key Lime · Guru

Saku11 wrote:

Key Lime wrote: Saku11 wrote: come on key ...If ribeiro got the winner, he would be a freaking hero.....realize Koivu was playing bad, and for the past 5 games hes been great. Lets not throw the "iam right you are wrong" chest thump stuff. Everyone know he's playing good , and he was playing bad! Huh? I'm trying to understand your post but it's not happening. sorry, what i meant to say was lets put a stop to the "i told you so" kind of threads. Like your thread title. uncalled for. we all criticized Koivu during the dry spell

I'm sorry but the smart ones who just knew he'd come out of his bad playing spell didn't crap on him. I admitted he was playing horribly but I didn't crap on him because I knew it was a question of time before he found his legs again. Now he did, I'm happy for him and the team and I'm happy that he's proving that he has the will to get his game back.

I used that title some people on this board don't criticize, they make a player sound like he's simply garbage. That's uncalled for, not my title. You have it backwards....sorry

Paolo · Member

Can't we all just focus on the present and enjoy a deserved victory? Koivu is playing his heart out, give the guy a break.

Habs and Avs Fan · Veteran Member

Yessssssssssssssssssss go Saku, my man! I was so pissed after the first after going 0-8.
Then in OT my man Koivu made me happy. Damn I hate the one hand wonder Zednik. bench him and put in Bulis on the second line God....I've honestly seen enough of him.

Paolo · Member

Habs and Avs Fan, I know exactly what you mean, and the worst part is when Zednik stops skating when he is hugging the player with the puck and looks back at the ref with that stupid look on his face that says "wasnt me". MOVE YER FEET MAN!!!!

GO HABS GO!!!!

rwp2le · Guru

I said it after last game, it is good to see this guy going again. He played better last night than Tuesday, and Tues was the best game I have seen him play in a month. Lets hope his goal gives him his confidence around the net back. But man what a game he played.

barry33 · Guru

rwp2le wrote:

I said it after last game, it is good to see this guy going again. He played better last night than Tuesday, and Tues was the best game I have seen him play in a month. Lets hope his goal gives him his confidence around the net back. But man what a game he played.

As I said..our best need to play like our best..bottom line. Koivu had not been doing that. But what I hate is the fact that anything that is not positively stated on this board makes you a "Saku Basher". Not the case at all. THere is not one player on this team all year who has not been criticized at one time or another by people on this board. Koivu does not have the immunity necklace from Survivor the last time I checked.

sarge · Member

OK, but you asked.

62 games played divided by 82 = .76

3.24 mil X .76 = 2.46 mil earned so far

2.46 mil divided by 53 points = $ 46,460.38 per point

Oh yeah, he earns 6.5 mil next year based on his play and leadership.

That's a lot of leadership for a raise like that.

-- Edited by sarge at 12:20, 2006-03-31

Ando · Guru

Key Lime wrote:

Anything to say now?

Nice game for Saku...nice goal to break out of a +30 game slump with!

...Higgins is just plain awesome!

Key Lime · Guru

sarge wrote:

OK, but you asked. 62 games played divided by 82 = .76 3.24 mil X .76 = 2.46 mil earned so far 2.46 mil divided by 53 points = $ 46,460.38 per point

Hmm...can someone convince me that Saku is only getting paid based on his point production. If Gainey were to be asked, he would say he's payed based on many factors and point production would be one factor out of a couple more.

24 Rings · Guru

sarge wrote:

$ 46,460.38 per point

Ok Sarge, here is where I prove your theory and logic are garbage...

73 games played out of 82 = 0.89

Jagr = $7,800,000 x 0.82 = 6,396,000 earned

6,942,000 / 114 points = $56,105 per point

Iginla = $7,000,000 x 0.82 = 5,740,000 earned

5,740,000 / 57 points = $100,702 per point

Hmmmmm, they must not be worth it either. Funny you don't hear them complaining in Calgary or New York? You could do this for all the top paid guys in the league. Salary to point production is a relative argument.

Muller93 · Guru

barry33 wrote:

rwp2le wrote: I said it after last game, it is good to see this guy going again. He played better last night than Tuesday, and Tues was the best game I have seen him play in a month. Lets hope his goal gives him his confidence around the net back. But man what a game he played. As I said..our best need to play like our best..bottom line. Koivu had not been doing that. But what I hate is the fact that anything that is not positively stated on this board makes you a "Saku Basher". Not the case at all. THere is not one player on this team all year who has not been criticized at one time or another by people on this board. Koivu does not have the immunity necklace from Survivor the last time I checked.

Well people. As soon as we all figure out that half Koivu's salary is attributed to his all around abilities. Point production is not the end all and be all as most seem to think.

If you watch the games...I mean really watch them...you would see why the habs future success was tied up in signing Koivu. He is really, really good...even if he only scores 15 goals/55 points in a season( lower than is norm).

And he has been really good all year. It is when he is not great that those that don't understand the "little" aspects of the game come out of the woodwork.

Key Lime · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

barry33 wrote: rwp2le wrote: I said it after last game, it is good to see this guy going again. He played better last night than Tuesday, and Tues was the best game I have seen him play in a month. Lets hope his goal gives him his confidence around the net back. But man what a game he played. As I said..our best need to play like our best..bottom line. Koivu had not been doing that. But what I hate is the fact that anything that is not positively stated on this board makes you a "Saku Basher". Not the case at all. THere is not one player on this team all year who has not been criticized at one time or another by people on this board. Koivu does not have the immunity necklace from Survivor the last time I checked. Well people. As soon as we all figure out that half Koivu's salary is attributed to his all around abilities. Point production is not the end all and be all as most seem to think. If you watch the games...I mean really watch them...you would see why the habs future success was tied up in signing Koivu. He is really, really good...even if he only scores 15 goals/55 points in a season( lower than is norm). And he has been really good all year. It is when he is not great that those that don't understand the "little" aspects of the game come out of the woodwork.

Many of us have been trying to prove Koivu's worth all season. Let's just admit that he's become a good all around player. You can use him in any situation. No one thinks he's an elite player in the NHL because he isn't but he's a player that any team would love to have. Any tream! We have him, so let's not crap on him. If that bad joke Superhab made was about Saks, how would you all feel? Think about it? At the moment, I feel better with our captain in the line up, than Kovy. Reason: I know that Saks would play his hard every game. Can't confirm the same for Kovy....even though I think he too is essential to the team's success.

sarge · Member

24 rings

run the numbers with the pay raise and it would be Koivu @

$122,641.50 per point and a no trade clause.

My beef is only with players receiving these ridiculous salaries.

I firmly believe in an incentive based salary structure.

Key Lime · Guru

sarge wrote:

24 rings run the numbers with the pay raise and it would be Koivu @ $122,641.50 per point and a no trade clause. My beef is only with players receiving these ridiculous salaries. I firmly believe in an incentive based salary structure.

I agree with the incentive idea but it can't really be done under the CBA.

sarge · Member

Understood. The whole salary floor and ceiling would be impossible to accurately mange until the season ended. PLAYOFF incentives would be a way to motivate and reward at the same time. I know players get some money in the playoffs but if a team decided to say double (or whatever) it while keeping itself far enough below the cap to ensure the money is available and not going to result in a penalty scenario it COULD pay for all parties concerned. This could be selectively or universally applied to both motivate and reward. Win - Win.

Also, there have to be some pretty good accountants out there that would have no trouble working the numbers for some regular season incentives.

-- Edited by sarge at 13:09, 2006-04-01

Meesh · Newbie

Muller93 wrote:

Well people. As soon as we all figure out that half Koivu's salary is attributed to his all around abilities. Point production is not the end all and be all as most seem to think.
If you watch the games...I mean really watch them...you would see why the habs future success was tied up in signing Koivu. He is really, really good...even if he only scores 15 goals/55 points in a season( lower than is norm).
And he has been really good all year. It is when he is not great that those that don't understand the "little" aspects of the game come out of the woodwork.

Bravo M93 - good points all-around. And we're not the only ones who think so. Even the Montreal press has acknowledged Koivu's role in Higgins' recent scoring touch.

Read this quote from Chris H himself: "I remember watching him (Koivu) play when I was a teenager,” admitted Higgins.“Getting the opportunity to actually play with him gives me the chance to appreciate what a terrific player he is. If you ask me, those who have been criticizing Saku lately for not scoring mustn’t really be watching our games.”

'Nuff said.

Key Lime · Guru

Meesh wrote:

Muller93 wrote: Well people. As soon as we all figure out that half Koivu's salary is attributed to his all around abilities. Point production is not the end all and be all as most seem to think. If you watch the games...I mean really watch them...you would see why the habs future success was tied up in signing Koivu. He is really, really good...even if he only scores 15 goals/55 points in a season( lower than is norm). And he has been really good all year. It is when he is not great that those that don't understand the "little" aspects of the game come out of the woodwork. Bravo M93 - good points all-around. And we're not the only ones who think so. Even the Montreal press has acknowledged Koivu's role in Higgins' recent scoring touch. Read this quote from Chris H himself: "I remember watching him (Koivu) play when I was a teenager,” admitted Higgins.“Getting the opportunity to actually play with him gives me the chance to appreciate what a terrific player he is. If you ask me, those who have been criticizing Saku lately for not scoring mustn’t really be watching our games.” 'Nuff said.

That's a shot in the crotch for many people...where did u get that quote from?

Nil d · Guru

Meesh wrote:

Even the Montreal press has acknowledged Koivu's role in Higgins' recent scoring touch. Read this quote from Chris H himself: "I remember watching him (Koivu) play when I was a teenager,” admitted Higgins.“Getting the opportunity to actually play with him gives me the chance to appreciate what a terrific player he is. If you ask me, those who have been criticizing Saku lately for not scoring mustn’t really be watching our games.” 'Nuff said.

And this from the person who has the best vantage point in the world - his linemate.

I think he's speaking directly to And-o and Ab.

AB Habman · Guru

Nil d wrote:

Meesh wrote: Even the Montreal press has acknowledged Koivu's role in Higgins' recent scoring touch. Read this quote from Chris H himself: "I remember watching him (Koivu) play when I was a teenager,” admitted Higgins.“Getting the opportunity to actually play with him gives me the chance to appreciate what a terrific player he is. If you ask me, those who have been criticizing Saku lately for not scoring mustn’t really be watching our games.” 'Nuff said. And this from the person who has the best vantage point in the world - his linemate. I think he's speaking directly to And-o and Ab.

Actually, I never criticized him for not scoring, I criticized him for poor and weak play for a big chunk of the season. He's playing better with a lot of help from Higgins so let us leave it at that. His total of what 13 goals?....means squat to me. He's passing the puck and contributing, so I'm happy. The core players needed to step up to help us reach a playoff birth and it has finally happened. Souray, Kovy, Rivet, Bonk and Saks all playing well. The core guys that this team needs to lean on!

Next season, if Gainey adds no one substantial, Saks has to be our best player all season. No more excuses with the poor guy being tired etc. He's now paid to be our best player.

Also, I have to add that I'm now concerned with all the ice time he's getting that he may crash in the playoffs. Maybe we should save the Saks is now great and always has been talk for after the playoffs. If he plays well, then I'll give him credit for redeeming his season.

JohnM · Guru

Sak is one of the key players on this team as it should be. Unlike what AB and And-o say, it is because of him that Higgins is better and not vice versa.

This team needs other players to step up in order to be successful. One player can help win games, a team can help win a series and more.

Guys like Ribs, Bonk, Pleks, Zed, Bulis, etc... need to be contributing factors come crunch time in about 2 weeks or the season will be over as fast as it started.