How about as a coach?

AB Habman · Guru

How about as a coach?

Diehardhabsfan · Veteran Member

I think he has done a good job, but by him not doing much by the trade deadline has made me question what is going on in his head

AB Habman · Guru

Diehardhabsfan wrote:

I think he has done a good job, but by him not doing much by the trade deadline has made me question what is going on in his head

I hear you!

Habtastic · Guru

Wow Ab, I am not surprised that you are writing about this again. The last time you brought this up, myself and a few others put together very detailed reports on Gainey's history with the Habs as GM and asked you to respond in a like manner, but you chose not to. Now it seems that there has been enough distance for you since that last thread and so you have come back with another slanderous post with again nothing to back up any of your mudslinging. Can you do nothing but spew venom?

Habtastic

barry33 · Guru

Diehardhabsfan wrote:

I think he has done a good job, but by him not doing much by the trade deadline has made me question what is going on in his head

Personally I feel that he has been allowed to rest on his past laurels WAYYYY too much. He has made some moves that, had it been any other coach, the media and this board would have been all over him (for example starting Abby 2 games in a row last week and leaving the hottest goalie in the league on the bench). Personally I could give two cents for what he did in Dallas, it is irrelevant to his performance now.

rwp2le · Guru

barry33 wrote:

Diehardhabsfan wrote: I think he has done a good job, but by him not doing much by the trade deadline has made me question what is going on in his head Personally I feel that he has been allowed to rest on his past laurels WAYYYY too much. He has made some moves that, had it been any other coach, the media and this board would have been all over him (for example starting Abby 2 games in a row last week and leaving the hottest goalie in the league on the bench). Personally I could give two cents for what he did in Dallas, it is irrelevant to his performance now.

Said with only the grace you could give it Barry, I totally agree, he may have built a winner in Dallas, but what has he done for us? Not a whole heck of a lot.

AB Habman · Guru

Habtastic wrote:

Wow Ab, I am not surprised that you are writing about this again. The last time you brought this up, myself and a few others put together very detailed reports on Gainey's history with the Habs as GM and asked you to respond in a like manner, but you chose not to. Now it seems that there has been enough distance for you since that last thread and so you have come back with another slanderous post with again nothing to back up any of your mudslinging. Can you do nothing but spew venom? Habtastic

Calm down Habtastic. This is more a reference to coaching. I think he should hand the reins over to Carb. now.

JohnM · Guru

So you can start blasting Carbo next???

AB Habman · Guru

JohnM wrote:

So you can start blasting Carbo next???

If Gainey become more pro-active this off season, there will be no need to blast Carb. By the way, you never heard AB blast anyone. When I do, you'll be the first to know. I'm usually calm until the pissers think they can keep pissing.

JohnM · Guru

I see your blasting kinda like the irritating kid who always knew where to pick at until he got beat up. Not the loud obnoxiuos sort of blasting.

Frank the Critic · Member

Well the "genius" that is Gainey will make his move in the off-season. We have 3 million dollars of cap space left, excpect Gainey to get a good player(s) on free agency.

24 Rings · Guru

I've heard 'em all before - not enough motivation, should have traded Theo sooner, shouldn't have played Abby for those 2 games, leadership in the locker room, line combinations, should have dealed at the deadline, shouldn't have signed Bonk, should have kept Perrault, blah, blah, blah...

No matter who is running this team, all the armchair GMs are gonna be complaining. If they make the playoffs, the point is moot and Gainey comes out looking OK. If they don't, Carbs is getting the reigns anyhow, so then you can all bitch about him next season.

I think this is the best staff we have had on this team in a long, long time and I'm glad CJ got the boot. This team is on the up, even though they have some issues to iron out. They are going to make the playoffs this year and they will be better next year.

AB Habman · Guru

JohnM wrote:

I see your blasting kinda like the irritating kid who always knew where to pick at until he got beat up. Not the loud obnoxiuos sort of blasting.

Like I have been saying, don't get so bitter about the person behind the posts of which you don't have a clue about. Take a breather. It's just a sports forum.

JohnM · Guru

A sports forum... I guess for the average fan of hockey. For a fan of the Habs it is more than that.

Habtastic · Guru

Ab, I am totally calm. I am just tired of you taking potshots at people, but not backing them up. Every time you are challenged, you run. I want facts and details... some research... to back up your opinion. Is that too much to ask?

Habtastic

AB Habman · Guru

Habtastic wrote:

Ab, I am totally calm. I am just tired of you taking potshots at people, but not backing them up. Every time you are challenged, you run. I want facts and details... some research... to back up your opinion. Is that too much to ask? Habtastic

I never took a potshot at you. What are you challenging me on? If it's about the old thread on the GM being average, I think you said your piece of which I backed up mine with my thoughts on why I think he is average.

Show me your facts and details on this new thread and I'll be more than glad to rebut or agree. if you don't like the thread or it offended you, I'm sorry. It wasn't meant to potshot you or any responder. It was just a thought like the thousands of others that posters share including yourself. No one on this board has actual facts from researching the Habs except Mario and Barry because they have inside information. It's just insight and opinions like 99% of the posts isn't it? Maybe you personally know Gainey or some of the Habs? If so than I appreciate your actual factual knowledge.

Also, if you notice, I very seldom except a challenge of a attacking me personally. If it's about my post, than fine but sometimes posters become too sensitive and bitter.

Habtastic · Guru

No no, there was nothing about you! I was talking about attacks on players and management and such. I never attack personally, never have, never will. I have been attacked on this board 3 times personally and have not responded in a like manner. My reference was to your comments towards Gainey, both as a GM and as a coach. You insinuate much, but you use no facts to back them up. You didn't in the GM thread and you didn't in this thread. Personal opinion aside, I want to see constructive criticism with some facts and figures. I am calling you on your penchant for having constant threads about certain Habs employees without ever presenting any research, even when asked. That is all.

I go out of my way not to offend (makes for some very bland posts, sorry), but I am pushing you this time to present facts. Sorry if you felt the pushing got a bit rough.

Habtastic

AB Habman · Guru

Habtastic wrote:

No no, there was nothing about you! I was talking about attacks on players and management and such. I never attack personally, never have, never will. I have been attacked on this board 3 times personally and have not responded in a like manner. My reference was to your comments towards Gainey, both as a GM and as a coach. You insinuate much, but you use no facts to back them up. You didn't in the GM thread and you didn't in this thread. Personal opinion aside, I want to see constructive criticism with some facts and figures. I am calling you on your penchant for having constant threads about certain Habs employees without ever presenting any research, even when asked. That is all. I go out of my way not to offend (makes for some very bland posts, sorry), but I am pushing you this time to present facts. Sorry if you felt the pushing got a bit rough. Habtastic

That's what I mean. 99% of posts are based on thoughts and insight. What facts do you want me to try to dig up. Ask me a specific question on why I think Carb should be coaching now? I don't want to re-thread a thread. If you don't want me to generalize than what I'm I insinuating much about? Help me out a little so I can respect what you mean.

Like I said, I'm trying to be as constructive as I can based on thoughts of what I notice as a fan to formulate opinions.

Habtastic · Guru

Opinion is fine, we all give that most of the time. But when someone continually goes after certain people, you have to wonder why. You don't like Gainey as a GM or as a coach, that is fine. I have no problem with that. I am just asking you to give reasons, facts, researched information with opinion attached to it, as to why. I think he is an excellent GM and a good, but not great, coach and I stated a long list of reaons, with opinions, why. Now I, and others, are asking for yours. Opinion is fine, but after a while, you need to add some facts, some foundation, some basis to those reasons, otherwise it just seems like the comments are just bluster.

Habtastic

AB Habman · Guru

Habtastic wrote:

Opinion is fine, we all give that most of the time. But when someone continually goes after certain people, you have to wonder why. You don't like Gainey as a GM or as a coach, that is fine. I have no problem with that. I am just asking you to give reasons, facts, researched information with opinion attached to it, as to why. I think he is an excellent GM and a good, but not great, coach and I stated a long list of reaons, with opinions, why. Now I, and others, are asking for yours. Opinion is fine, but after a while, you need to add some facts, some foundation, some basis to those reasons, otherwise it just seems like the comments are just bluster. Habtastic

I think he is an average GM and probably a below average coach. I already gave reasons why he is an average GM on another thread.I just think he's too passive as coach to ruffle feathers and that Carb would be more aggressive and demanding of any player if they weren't playing hard.

Gainey did finally call out Saks and questioned his effort and it seems to be paying off in tonights first period. Carb probably would of done that 20 games ago and we might not be fighting for our playoff lives now. It's OK to have a 6 yrs plan or whatever as GM but as a coach you have to be more animated and demanding rather than passive.

Habtastic · Guru

Alright, thanks. Would you mind linking me to where you posted your GM thoughts? I would like to read them. Or maybe you could address my reasons from that last thread and tell me how you disagree with them. And yes, I think Carbo will be better, but I am glad Gainey is coach right now so that he can get to know this team intimately in all situations, including the playoffs. I think it will serve him well in all his future decisions and allow Carbo to be fully prepared.

Habtastic

Key Lime · Guru

Here it is...we have Carbo / Gainey / Jarvis behind the Habs bench. If I would of told you that those would be the men behind the bench two years ago, all of you would of pissed in your pants with joy. If you say "no", you're in denial. With a win tonight, the 3 man tandem will be have 14 wins and 11 losses. What was our record before they took over??? and please don't tell me it's all because of Huet.

Key Lime · Guru

BTW Don't you ever have anything positive to say about anything related to the Habs. I read every post and I can't remember the last time you said something that compliments anything Habs related. Is it just a recent disorder? AB, can we get a positive post from you please? Are you a Habs fan or what?

AB Habman · Guru

Habtastic wrote:

Alright, thanks. Would you mind linking me to where you posted your GM thoughts? I would like to read them. Or maybe you could address my reasons from that last thread and tell me how you disagree with them. And yes, I think Carbo will be better, but I am glad Gainey is coach right now so that he can get to know this team intimately in all situations, including the playoffs. I think it will serve him well in all his future decisions and allow Carbo to be fully prepared. Habtastic

I mentioned that in thread, that he did have time to get to know them by coaching and that he still didn't respond with a trade this season but I totally agree that it will help him in the future to know exactly where the needs are. The is "Gainey an average GM" is already on page seven. Wow, what a busy board!

AB Habman · Guru

Key Lime wrote:

BTW Don't you ever have anything positive to say about anything related to the Habs. I read every post and I can't remember the last time you said something that compliments anything Habs related. Is it just a recent disorder? AB, can we get a positive post from you please? Are you a Habs fan or what?

Key Lime, you're totally generalizing and mimicking John just to get noticed or into a scrap.

Good try...just remember you also have posted negative posts.

Why should myself or any other poster sugar coat anything? This team blew three games due to poor effort lately and many players underachived all season. There have been few positives all season for me to post on. Maybe my expectations are higher than yours and a few others. Is it so wrong to expect a playoff birth?

Key Lime · Guru

AB Habman wrote:

Key Lime wrote: BTW Don't you ever have anything positive to say about anything related to the Habs. I read every post and I can't remember the last time you said something that compliments anything Habs related. Is it just a recent disorder? AB, can we get a positive post from you please? Are you a Habs fan or what? Key Lime, you're totally generalizing and mimicking John just to get noticed or into a scrap. Good try...just remember you also have posted negative posts. Why should myself or any other poster sugar coat anything? This team blew three games due to poor effort lately and many players underachived all season. There have been few positives all season for me to post on. Maybe my expectations are higher than yours and a few others. Is it so wrong to expect a playoff birth?

Nice try yourself AB...I love the way you twist things around. Once again, you take it all wrong. Not looking for a scrap at all...you would loose anyway. Put em up! Come on AB, cheer up a little. I have no idea what John wrote BTW.

I just want to read a postive thread related to the Habs coming from you. The reason: I enjoy reading your posts, I actually look forward to reading them BUT for the longest time all of them have been negative critiques. You're Habman aren't you?

So, you expect them to make the playoffs but it doesn't sound like it. Listen, write whatever you want, that's what the this board is about. I would be nice to hear something more fruitful from long-time poster like you.

mdmrules · Member

I think Key and Habtastic kinda said it all. But I would like to add that just once I would love to see a post from AB that says

"I think BG is an average GM because..."

Instead it is baseless statements that do not, and will not get backed up by anything more than more opinions. This isn't good for conversation... "because it's my opinion" is no opinion at all.

I come to this board because of the passionate discussions that take place... the whole thing loses its sheen pretty quickly when the biggest poster on the board is the most negative and the least likley to keep on topic when pressed about the post they themselves started. If you want people to hear what you have to say you have to do more than just say it... you have to prove it. For what its worth, keep the posts comming but bring some facts with you while you are at it.

AB Habman · Guru

Key Lime wrote:

AB Habman wrote: Key Lime wrote: BTW Don't you ever have anything positive to say about anything related to the Habs. I read every post and I can't remember the last time you said something that compliments anything Habs related. Is it just a recent disorder? AB, can we get a positive post from you please? Are you a Habs fan or what? Key Lime, you're totally generalizing and mimicking John just to get noticed or into a scrap. Good try...just remember you also have posted negative posts. Why should myself or any other poster sugar coat anything? This team blew three games due to poor effort lately and many players underachived all season. There have been few positives all season for me to post on. Maybe my expectations are higher than yours and a few others. Is it so wrong to expect a playoff birth? Nice try yourself AB...I love the way you twist things around. Once again, you take it all wrong. Not looking for a scrap at all...you would loose anyway. Put em up! Come on AB, cheer up a little. I have no idea what John wrote BTW. I just want to read a postive thread related to the Habs coming from you. The reason: I enjoy reading your posts, I actually look forward to reading them BUT for the longest time all of them have been negative critiques. You're Habman aren't you? So, you expect them to make the playoffs but it doesn't sound like it. Listen, write whatever you want, that's what the this board is about. I would be nice to hear something more fruitful from long-time poster like you.

Excuse my ignorance...what does BTW stand for?

JohnM · Guru

what does BTW stand for?

By the way.

Key Lime · Guru

AB Habman wrote:

Key Lime wrote: AB Habman wrote: Key Lime wrote: BTW Don't you ever have anything positive to say about anything related to the Habs. I read every post and I can't remember the last time you said something that compliments anything Habs related. Is it just a recent disorder? AB, can we get a positive post from you please? Are you a Habs fan or what? Key Lime, you're totally generalizing and mimicking John just to get noticed or into a scrap. Good try...just remember you also have posted negative posts. Why should myself or any other poster sugar coat anything? This team blew three games due to poor effort lately and many players underachived all season. There have been few positives all season for me to post on. Maybe my expectations are higher than yours and a few others. Is it so wrong to expect a playoff birth? Nice try yourself AB...I love the way you twist things around. Once again, you take it all wrong. Not looking for a scrap at all...you would loose anyway. Put em up! Come on AB, cheer up a little. I have no idea what John wrote BTW. I just want to read a postive thread related to the Habs coming from you. The reason: I enjoy reading your posts, I actually look forward to reading them BUT for the longest time all of them have been negative critiques. You're Habman aren't you? So, you expect them to make the playoffs but it doesn't sound like it. Listen, write whatever you want, that's what the this board is about. I would be nice to hear something more fruitful from long-time poster like you. Excuse my ignorance...what does BTW stand for?

BTW = By the way...and actually, BTW I hope you finally understand that you're by far, one of the top posters. Jokes aside.