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Ando


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by marioroberge on HFBoards.com:

"As much as I am a Koivu supporter, as of late the guy has not really shown up despite what people are saying about his linemates. How many games has he gone without a goal now? Yes, he is a playmaker but he should be scoring from time to time as well. The problem with Koivu is that he's very hot and cold. There's a string of many nights he shows up and then a string where he doesn't. Then he gets injured for a month. Is he talented? Yes. Does he have heart? Not nearly as much as the people on HF claim.

Now everyone here says he is a great leader, etc. He is average at best. Only on rare occasions can he help the team get fired up. Look at the past Habs captains Mike Keane, Kirk Muller, Carbonneau, Gainey, Savard, Cournoyer, RIchard and it goes on and on. Those guys bled for the team and put their heart on their sleeve every night. That can't be applied to any player currently on the habs. Maybe Higgins or Plekanec but they're rookies and it's possible their work ethic will change in the coming season (see Ryder). The habs have no heart and that's their biggest problem. Saku can go to the olympics and dominate the game and then upon his return he becomes pretty much useless.

Everyone can say that "he doesn't have linemates," or "the entire team is playing bad," but the truth is that when things are going bad, your leader is supposed lead the way. During that big slump in January, it was Markov's return and Huet's brilliant playing that brought the team back in tot he playoff race.

For those who then claim, "If you don't feel Saku does much the you don't watch hockey." What did he do last night? Or the game before? I was at last night's game and he was pretty much invisible the entire night. I'm not exactly a fan or Ribeiro's but at least he's now putting more effort in trying to become more of a team player.

People also say "Why not accuse Kovalev?" Well the reason nobody accuses him is because you knokw what you're getting with him from the get go. No one ever starts posts on this board saying "Kovalev has so much heart, he is GOD." His floating a is expected of him."

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...and he is all ours for three more years!!!


Oh the joy!


Whatever happened to JohnM???  And-o would sure like his take on all of this...especially since he lead the pounding of AB & And-o all season!!!



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...That's OK Nil'd...just keep shoving your head in the sand - maybe the problem will go away all by itself!!!

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Ando wrote:

...That's OK Nil'd...just keep shoving your head in the sand - maybe the problem will go away all by itself!!!

No head in the sand, And-o.  I agree fully that Saku Koivu is in a major funk, and has been playing awful - as have several of the team - for some time now.  No disagreement from anyone at all there.


I'm just tired of the non-stop one-dimensional bashing emanating from your corner.  We get your point, already!  At least put your posts on one thread, so we can choose to ignore them.  You have no other topic of discussion.


Better yet, pick on someone else for a change; there are plenty to choose from, sadly.




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Ando wrote:

...and he is all ours for three more years!!! Oh the joy! Whatever happened to JohnM???  And-o would sure like his take on all of this...especially since he lead the pounding of AB & And-o all season!!!

I am still here in Panama, reading the posts and listening to the games on CJAD. I can't really comment since I am not watching the games and can't make an objective statement about them.


What I can tell you is that from last nights stats I can't say that Koivu had a brutal game. He didn't dominate either and hasn't really in awhile as seen by his point production.


What I do know is this team is not very good, we've lost what was supposed to be our strength in a top 3 goalie in the league. Our defense is horrible without Markov in the lineup. We have no real threats out there.


This season has not turned out how we thought it would, i.e. Bonk contributing, Souray taking off where he left us last year, Ryder and Zednik scoring, Koivu and Kovy lighting it up.


Then again we are fans of the team and hope for more than might actually be realistic. Most hockey analysts put us right where we are now, fighting for 8th spot. Seems about right that we are armchair coaches and GMs and aren't actually doing any of the work.


I must add that it's alot easier to take the losses when you aren't watching the games...



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Nil D i could not agree with you more.  Everybody is bashing Koivu as of late.  He is the captain of the team.  He's been plying adequate as of late.  There is only soo much a captain can do.  It's up to the captain to deliver the message and encourage his teammates with a moivatioinal speech, howver in the end it falls on the players hands wether to play or not to play.  The team is screwed up as whole not because of a certain individual.

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I agree, one guy can only do so much.  And-o you gotta give this up, man.  It's the same anti-Koivu crap from you every day.  By that logic every team in the league that is going to miss the play-offs or is in a tail-spin should dump their captain?  Messier would probably strap 'em on again.  Should we call him up?


The Habs are not one of the best teams in the league.  They are exactly where they should be in the standings.  They should have won last night, but they are shooting blanks right now.



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Could not have set it better myself 24 rings

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and-o , i along with some others on this are getting tired of your constant koivu bashing , yes hes worn down , yes hes not producing , but yes he is still trying , maybe hes worn down from carrying bonk all year , so from now on when ever you come on here ragging on koivu i am only going to have 2 words for you


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Ando wrote:

by marioroberge on HFBoards.com:"As much as I am a Koivu supporter, as of late the guy has not really shown up despite what people are saying about his linemates. How many games has he gone without a goal now? Yes, he is a playmaker but he should be scoring from time to time as well. The problem with Koivu is that he's very hot and cold. There's a string of many nights he shows up and then a string where he doesn't. Then he gets injured for a month. Is he talented? Yes. Does he have heart? Not nearly as much as the people on HF claim. Now everyone here says he is a great leader, etc. He is average at best. Only on rare occasions can he help the team get fired up. Look at the past Habs captains Mike Keane, Kirk Muller, Carbonneau, Gainey, Savard, Cournoyer, RIchard and it goes on and on. Those guys bled for the team and put their heart on their sleeve every night. That can't be applied to any player currently on the habs. Maybe Higgins or Plekanec but they're rookies and it's possible their work ethic will change in the coming season (see Ryder). The habs have no heart and that's their biggest problem. Saku can go to the olympics and dominate the game and then upon his return he becomes pretty much useless.Everyone can say that "he doesn't have linemates," or "the entire team is playing bad," but the truth is that when things are going bad, your leader is supposed lead the way. During that big slump in January, it was Markov's return and Huet's brilliant playing that brought the team back in tot he playoff race. For those who then claim, "If you don't feel Saku does much the you don't watch hockey." What did he do last night? Or the game before? I was at last night's game and he was pretty much invisible the entire night. I'm not exactly a fan or Ribeiro's but at least he's now putting more effort in trying to become more of a team player.People also say "Why not accuse Kovalev?" Well the reason nobody accuses him is because you knokw what you're getting with him from the get go. No one ever starts posts on this board saying "Kovalev has so much heart, he is GOD." His floating a is expected of him."
 This post and 4.75 million other reasons just about sums it up!

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Maybe And-O unplugged could come back every second day so that we can at least get the Koivu bashing in a different style...

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