How long can excuses be made for #11

davidb · Guru

How long can excuses be made for #11

AB Habman · Guru

davidb wrote:

He is definitely off his game. I do not want to hear thats hes tired from the olympics because he should have stayed home then. If he was to capitalize on 25 percent of his shots we would be winning. Kovy is another one. All these big bucks players are weak as water

Our core players let us down this season. Totally underproducing especially Theo but at least Gainey was able to redeem himself on that one.

24 Rings · Guru

Your right Davey. Everyone on here knows that Kovy and Koivs (throw Ryder, Ribs and Zeddy in there too), have had sub-par seasons. It has been said so many times that I don't even think it bears repeating anymore. There's nothing we can do but hope that these clowns pick it up and keep representing les tricolores.

davidb · Guru

Well sometimes I get the feeling that they want the season over so they can get a fresh start with the new coach and goalie next year. How about that Leclair, when he went to the Flyers he was a Hab killer now he is still up to his old tricks as a pen. he has 14 pts in last 10 games amazing

macneil · Guru

no more , the effort is now getting pathetic . they need to call out the so called stars . they dont pick it up when they need to .

ray · Senior Member

for the longest time I was getting sick of all the Koivu fights on this site, but after tonight I'm really worried about this guy. I love Saku, and would love nothing more than too see him succeed, but he is stinking the joint out and taking far too many idiotic penalties for the captain of this team.

Muller93 · Guru

ray wrote:

for the longest time I was getting sick of all the Koivu fights on this site, but after tonight I'm really worried about this guy. I love Saku, and would love nothing more than too see him succeed, but he is stinking the joint out and taking far too many idiotic penalties for the captain of this team.

I agree with you Ray. I have watched the last few games and find Koivu to be way off his game.

Personally, I think it has more to do with the fact that most teams simply focus on shutting down Koivu because they could play a pee wee "AAA" center against Ribby and come out equal.

I think Koivu has been carrying a one tonne pile of garbage all season and he is tired, The result is he is hoisting the garbage right where it belongs...in the dump!

Do you blame Koivu or do you just get the fact that even if you replaced Koivu with say...Iginla or Staal...this team would still be struggling to make the playoffs...and Staal would not have near the success he is having. IMO!

Ando · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

Do you blame Koivu or do you just get the fact that even if you replaced Koivu with say...Iginla or Staal...this team would still be struggling to make the playoffs...and Staal would not have near the success he is having.

Ladies and Gentlemen...the above quote is a perfect example of the word "denial".

Honestly...the quotes just keep getting more and more bizarre here folks!!!

First off...Iggy is a winger...but Saku Koivu still couldn't carry Iggy's stick when it comes to playing an 82 game season. As for Staal...that is just too silly to be taken seriously!

When will this love affair end??? Enough is enough! What more has to happen? Will another year of no playoffs cure this?

Too much!!!

Muller93 · Guru

Oh And-o. I never compared saku to those guys. Read the post again.

I simply stated that this is a team game and one guy can not do it all.

Also I was not comparing center to center.

It's Ok though And-o...your silly "digging for attention" posts are helping to prove most of my points anyhow. I thank Plouf and Nil'd for having the skills with words to put most of your thoughts on the topic where they belong....the garbage.

And-o, if not for your personal vendetta(sp?) against Koivu, you might be a worthwhile read...oh ya, your posts are a good read now... for a good laugh anyway.

barry33 · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

ray wrote: for the longest time I was getting sick of all the Koivu fights on this site, but after tonight I'm really worried about this guy. I love Saku, and would love nothing more than too see him succeed, but he is stinking the joint out and taking far too many idiotic penalties for the captain of this team. I agree with you Ray. I have watched the last few games and find Koivu to be way off his game. Personally, I think it has more to do with the fact that most teams simply focus on shutting down Koivu because they could play a pee wee "AAA" center against Ribby and come out equal. I think Koivu has been carrying a one tonne pile of garbage all season and he is tired, The result is he is hoisting the garbage right where it belongs...in the dump! Do you blame Koivu or do you just get the fact that even if you replaced Koivu with say...Iginla or Staal...this team would still be struggling to make the playoffs...and Staal would not have near the success he is having. IMO!

Yes I blame Koivu. I am sick and tired of this "If we only had another center" trash. And yes, it is trash. Many here claimed that Koivu is, indeed, a first line center. So in my way of thinking, that makes it irrelevant who plays behind him on the other lines. Sure if we had a legitimate second line center (minus Ribs) it would take some heat off Koivu. But that does not erase teh fact that the guy looks disnterested when he is out there and is not leading by example. If we are to campaign for him being a first liner capable of big minutes then he needs to produce. I said it befor ethe Olympics that the guy should NOT be going to Finland. Yet he does and appears to be born again for a week (yes I know..wider ice, better teamates, better coaching, cleaner water, prettier unifroms etc etc). He then comes back to Montreal and stinks the place up. But hey, Gainey signed him to a no trade deal worth major dollars and Gainey knows all.

Like it or not, in the age of the salary cap, when you are sigining for what amounts to 1/8th of the total team cap (see also Kovalev), much more is expected of you. Especially in Montreal.

davidb · Guru

Thankyou barry, I am glad to see my post generated so many gppd comments. Where have u been ??

AB Habman · Guru

barry33 wrote:

Muller93 wrote: ray wrote: for the longest time I was getting sick of all the Koivu fights on this site, but after tonight I'm really worried about this guy. I love Saku, and would love nothing more than too see him succeed, but he is stinking the joint out and taking far too many idiotic penalties for the captain of this team. I agree with you Ray. I have watched the last few games and find Koivu to be way off his game. Personally, I think it has more to do with the fact that most teams simply focus on shutting down Koivu because they could play a pee wee "AAA" center against Ribby and come out equal. I think Koivu has been carrying a one tonne pile of garbage all season and he is tired, The result is he is hoisting the garbage right where it belongs...in the dump! Do you blame Koivu or do you just get the fact that even if you replaced Koivu with say...Iginla or Staal...this team would still be struggling to make the playoffs...and Staal would not have near the success he is having. IMO! Yes I blame Koivu. I am sick and tired of this "If we only had another center" trash. And yes, it is trash. Many here claimed that Koivu is, indeed, a first line center. So in my way of thinking, that makes it irrelevant who plays behind him on the other lines. Sure if we had a legitimate second line center (minus Ribs) it would take some heat off Koivu. But that does not erase teh fact that the guy looks disnterested when he is out there and is not leading by example. If we are to campaign for him being a first liner capable of big minutes then he needs to produce. I said it befor ethe Olympics that the guy should NOT be going to Finland. Yet he does and appears to be born again for a week (yes I know..wider ice, better teamates, better coaching, cleaner water, prettier unifroms etc etc). He then comes back to Montreal and stinks the place up. But hey, Gainey signed him to a no trade deal worth major dollars and Gainey knows all. Like it or not, in the age of the salary cap, when you are sigining for what amounts to 1/8th of the total team cap (see also Kovalev), much more is expected of you. Especially in Montreal.

Barry, when something needs to be said, you're the man!

Muller93 · Guru

AB Habman wrote:

barry33 wrote: Muller93 wrote: ray wrote: for the longest time I was getting sick of all the Koivu fights on this site, but after tonight I'm really worried about this guy. I love Saku, and would love nothing more than too see him succeed, but he is stinking the joint out and taking far too many idiotic penalties for the captain of this team. I agree with you Ray. I have watched the last few games and find Koivu to be way off his game. Personally, I think it has more to do with the fact that most teams simply focus on shutting down Koivu because they could play a pee wee "AAA" center against Ribby and come out equal. I think Koivu has been carrying a one tonne pile of garbage all season and he is tired, The result is he is hoisting the garbage right where it belongs...in the dump! Do you blame Koivu or do you just get the fact that even if you replaced Koivu with say...Iginla or Staal...this team would still be struggling to make the playoffs...and Staal would not have near the success he is having. IMO! Yes I blame Koivu. I am sick and tired of this "If we only had another center" trash. And yes, it is trash. Many here claimed that Koivu is, indeed, a first line center. So in my way of thinking, that makes it irrelevant who plays behind him on the other lines. Sure if we had a legitimate second line center (minus Ribs) it would take some heat off Koivu. But that does not erase teh fact that the guy looks disnterested when he is out there and is not leading by example. If we are to campaign for him being a first liner capable of big minutes then he needs to produce. I said it befor ethe Olympics that the guy should NOT be going to Finland. Yet he does and appears to be born again for a week (yes I know..wider ice, better teamates, better coaching, cleaner water, prettier unifroms etc etc). He then comes back to Montreal and stinks the place up. But hey, Gainey signed him to a no trade deal worth major dollars and Gainey knows all. Like it or not, in the age of the salary cap, when you are sigining for what amounts to 1/8th of the total team cap (see also Kovalev), much more is expected of you. Especially in Montreal. Barry, when something needs to be said, you're the man!

I disagree. I think Barry forgets that we all have figured Koivu needs some support. Every Koivu supported on here has said so. Do I think Koivu could be a first line center? Perhaps if we had landed a guy like Jokinen. But I hope for better than that in the off season. In which case Koivu becomes a second line center. Whatever.

Come on now. Let me see if I can simplify facts here.

Picture hockey as a tug of war match. One side has 2-3 250lbs guys and the other 15 guys weigh in at 100lbs. The other team has 5-6 250lbs guys and one 300lbs anchor with the other 10 guys weighing in at 100lbs. Which team is gonna win?

Trust me, the main guys on the habs are trying out there...It is just plain stupid to claim that Koivu is disinterested( sorry Barry it is). In actual fact Koivu is having a pretty good year. As Plouf said in a previous post...koivu is being paid at the rate of a solid second line guy...and producing at that rate. First line guys in this league generally command 6-7 mil per season.

Geesh!