we are in big trouble

mac_attack · Member

we are in big trouble

davidb · Guru

if BG is still asleep then he himself has problems. His eyes should have been opened up weeks ago.

Muller93 · Guru

We knew we were in trouble back in November. BG knows it as well. This team stinks and plays the boring trap because of that.

BG did not make any moves a trade deadline because what is the point? The make-up of this team will look markedly different next year.

Have patience. in two years we will be in the final fout at least. Just a feeling

AB Habman · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

We knew we were in trouble back in November. BG knows it as well. This team stinks and plays the boring trap because of that. BG did not make any moves a trade deadline because what is the point? The make-up of this team will look markedly different next year. Have patience. in two years we will be in the final fout at least. Just a feeling

Muller, fact is Gainey could of improved this team but just couldn't get the job done for whatever reason. Whether it's because he was too patient or we had no one to trade. Either way the guy has to do his job, to at least get us to the playoffs.

I agree, we will be a good team in a few years but why sacrifice an entire season? What you're basically saying is that it's OK to be average again(which we have been for the last ten years), because we'll be competing in a couple season anyways.

Maybe, we're letting Gainey off the hook too easily? He's been at the helm for a fourth year now and are we any better than before? Maybe marginally?

davidb · Guru

Ya thats the whole thing. Gainey has not really improved anything these past 4 years. I am very dissapointed. Other teams seem to have no problem building a great solid team. Again the storied franchise will be getting the clubs out earley wow 13 years without a cup. Thats bad sorry if I am writing them off, but we cannot play the Canes and win we lost all 4 this year against them

plouf · Guru

Well we are quite a bit better really.

Our top forwards 4 years ago were Perreault, Petrov, Gilmour, Zednik, Dackell, Juneau (Koivu was out with the cancer that season).

Basically Theo carried us that year. We were a one-man team.

Anyway, when Gainey arrived this team was almost worth nothing after years of mismanagement. I'm not saying things have been turned around magically, but they are improving.

superhab · Guru

plouf wrote:

Well we are quite a bit better really. Our top forwards 4 years ago were Perreault, Petrov, Gilmour, Zednik, Dackell, Juneau (Koivu was out with the cancer that season). Basically Theo carried us that year. We were a one-man team. Anyway, when Gainey arrived this team was almost worth nothing after years of mismanagement. I'm not saying things have been turned around magically, but they are improving.

Perreault had a twenty goal season

Petrov had twentyfour goals

Zednik had twenty something

Dackell had 10

Juneau had around 10

Gilmour was good, he set Petrov and Zednik up a lot.

This year

Ryder - 24

Kovalev - 17

Zednik - 16

Koivu - 13 (Not sure)

Bulis 16

Bonk - 2

I think we may have been better off then

mdmrules · Member

I don't know what miracle potion Gainey is supposed to "wake up" and make but maybe someone can fork out the recepe. If not then I think its time everyone else woke up and stopped blaming BG for the teams inability to score goals... Players are accountable far more for the lack of offence. I don't really know how anyone can say BG has been here for 4 years either... He came to the habs in may of 2003... that would make it less than 3 years... and you can delete all of last year so really it has been less than 2 years of NHL hockey...

No you are right... he is a failure... if he can't build a winner in 2 years we obviously have to bring Rejean Houle back.

plouf · Guru

superhab wrote:

plouf wrote:
Well we are quite a bit better really. Our top forwards 4 years ago were Perreault, Petrov, Gilmour, Zednik, Dackell, Juneau (Koivu was out with the cancer that season). Basically Theo carried us that year. We were a one-man team. Anyway, when Gainey arrived this team was almost worth nothing after years of mismanagement. I'm not saying things have been turned around magically, but they are improving.

Perreault had a twenty goal season
Petrov had twentyfour goals
Zednik had twenty something
Dackell had 10
Juneau had around 10
Gilmour was good, he set Petrov and Zednik up a lot.

This year
Ryder - 24
Kovalev - 17
Zednik - 16
Koivu - 13 (Not sure)
Bulis 16
Bonk - 2
I think we may have been better off then

We were not better off then. Now we can at least say we are underachieving. (

)

But then ...well those guys were doing everything they could and still sucked.

I don't know what's worse really. But I guess I'll take untapped talent for now.

barry33 · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

We knew we were in trouble back in November. BG knows it as well. This team stinks and plays the boring trap because of that. BG did not make any moves a trade deadline because what is the point? The make-up of this team will look markedly different next year. Have patience. in two years we will be in the final fout at least. Just a feeling

Ya..just wait until next year..it will be us vs the Leafs in the semis....

gfeaver · Veteran Member

at least the Hurricanes have the initials CH.....

doodie · Veteran Member

THE LAFFS LOST last night ....thats very important to me...if they get in ahead of the habs i'm buying a water gun and shooting myself with it.

ray · Senior Member

doodie wrote:

THE LAFFS LOST last night ....thats very important to me...if they get in ahead of the habs i'm buying a water gun and shooting myself with it.

Doodie, couldn't agree more. If we don't make the playoffs and the leafs do i'll be asking to borrow that water gun. At least you live on the East coast. I live in the heart of leaf country.

Just to add something else, I would rather make the playoffs than hear the words next year. I hate the words rebuilding. Why can't a team be competive and have a chance at the cup every year. With this sal. cap it should be possible. I'd rather watch a playoff game , even if it is against the Canes, there is still a chance a winning even though its very slim.

Johab · Guru

mdmrules wrote:

I don't know what miracle potion Gainey is supposed to "wake up" and make but maybe someone can fork out the recepe. If not then I think its time everyone else woke up and stopped blaming BG for the teams inability to score goals... Players are accountable far more for the lack of offence. I don't really know how anyone can say BG has been here for 4 years either... He came to the habs in may of 2003... that would make it less than 3 years... and you can delete all of last year so really it has been less than 2 years of NHL hockey... No you are right... he is a failure... if he can't build a winner in 2 years we obviously have to bring Rejean Houle back.

.....thats a joke right

???

24 Rings · Guru

With all of the dissapointment exhibited on here, did anyone seriously think that this team was actually going to challenge for the upper echelon in the NHL or dare I say it, the Cup?

This is still a middle of the road team, people! They are getting better and they will continue to do so. As we've done in years past, we're going to have to show a little more patience with this group and hopefully we do a little house cleaning this summer and add a few more pieces of the puzzle. We're still in the playoff picture this season and that should be our goal.

youppi80 · Newbie

they will make the playoffs, i think the Lightning will be the team to falter.

doodie · Veteran Member

hey Ray couldn't agree with you more.... remember what the "DUCK" did a couple of years back ,taking out the wings and going to the finals....anything is possible .....yeeeeeeeee ha "GO HABS GO"

plouf · Guru

24 Rings wrote:

With all of the dissapointment exhibited on here, did anyone seriously think that this team was actually going to challenge for the upper echelon in the NHL or dare I say it, the Cup?
This is still a middle of the road team, people! They are getting better and they will continue to do so. As we've done in years past, we're going to have to show a little more patience with this group and hopefully we do a little house cleaning this summer and add a few more pieces of the puzzle. We're still in the playoff picture this season and that should be our goal.

Voice of reason, thank you.

For those who think teams become Stanley Cup winners overnight, let's take our last winners, Tampa Bay:

-team stank it up for a while (leading scorer in 1999: DARCY TUCKER with 43 points)
-indifferent fans put up with lousy team for a while... so team can grab top picks
-one of their best guys was deemed too small to really be a major factor. After his first season in TB most commentators don't consider the guy to be part of the team's future. (St. Louis)
-in 2002, a team made up of essentially the same group who won the cup in 2004 failed to make the playoffs, yet again.
-2003: team hung around approximately 8th place in the conference but did nothing in playoffs and got pretty much no respect from anyone.
-several of their top players came in for a great deal of criticism on issues of leadership, inconsistency, etc...but because the fans in TB are basically tolerant, nobody is run out of town.
-when it comes time to add the final pieces (Stillman and Sydor), no problem: anyone would be glad to head to Florida and play for a winning team in an environment where the fans are supportive, money and life are good, media is sort of mellow.
-2004 Team wins cup.

Three problems in Montreal:
-unrealistic and impatient fans and media...we know our on-ice hockey in Montreal, but we don't know our hockey business it seems.
-the fact that Montreal never finished low enough to truly rebuild, which was what was needed c.1995. So we never picked up a blue-chip prospect like Lecavalier. Koivu's great, but we need an Ovechkin. And Markov was a surprise, the result of good drafting.
-the fact that management was terrible pre-Gainey. Sorry, but we should still be thankful about Bob's arrival. At least there is hope now.

Certain folks will attack me about "expectations" and the like (And And-o will probably consider this a girlyman post), but I think it's worth pointing out that with the exception of Detroit (where Bowman pretty much transcends all obstacles), all of the last 10 cups or so have been won by teams in towns where hockey is not exactly king the way it is in Montreal.

I think this is a sad thing, but it's the way it is folks, and I don't think the old Montreal "run em out of town if they aren't producing RIGHT NOW" thing works in the contemporary NHL.