If we're looking for comparitives..

AB Habman · Guru

If we're looking for comparitives..

JohnM · Guru

No it wouldn't.

1986-87
St. Louis Blues
NHL
42
11
14
25
6
4
0
1
1
0

1987-88
St. Louis Blues
NHL
26
5
8
13
12
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1988-89
St. Louis Blues
NHL
64
24
31
55
18
7
1
3
4
0

1990-91
St. Louis Blues
NHL
48
14
18
32
10
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1990-91
Vancouver Canucks
NHL
11
6
6
12
0
6
6
3
9
12

1991-92
Vancouver Canucks
NHL
80
24
47
71
42
13
8
5
13
6

1992-93
Vancouver Canucks
NHL
79
29
56
85
30
12
2
9
11
6

1993-94
Vancouver Canucks
NHL
76
25
43
68
42
24
5
10
15
16

Here's his first 10 seasons. I believe their was still some high flying hockey back then.

-- Edited by JohnM at 20:10, 2006-02-16

AB Habman · Guru

JohnM wrote:

No it wouldn't. 1986-87 St. Louis Blues NHL 42 11 14 25 6 4 0 1 1 0 1987-88 St. Louis Blues NHL 26 5 8 13 12 -- -- -- -- -- 1988-89 St. Louis Blues NHL 64 24 31 55 18 7 1 3 4 0 1990-91 St. Louis Blues NHL 48 14 18 32 10 -- -- -- -- -- 1990-91 Vancouver Canucks NHL 11 6 6 12 0 6 6 3 9 12 1991-92 Vancouver Canucks NHL 80 24 47 71 42 13 8 5 13 6 1992-93 Vancouver Canucks NHL 79 29 56 85 30 12 2 9 11 6 1993-94 Vancouver Canucks NHL 76 25 43 68 42 24 5 10 15 16 Here's his first 10 seasons. I believe their was still some high flying hockey back then. -- Edited by JohnM at 20:10, 2006-02-16

Sorry, I didn't do my homework. I thought his first ten were with Canucks but he struggled to make his mark in the NHL!

If we go from 90-91 the stats are closer. Ronning 594 games played and 494 points/ Saks 543 games played and 437 points.

They both worked hard and played with heart although I don't think Ronning was a first line center in Canuckville!

JohnM · Guru

Those stats about match but I wouldn't know about the heart as I never followed his play. Hate to ask this cause you will think I am taking a jab but was he captain of any of his teams and did he ever play for his country? Just wondering, not a backhanded question.

AB Habman · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Those stats about match but I wouldn't know about the heart as I never followed his play. Hate to ask this cause you will think I am taking a jab but was he captain of any of his teams and did he ever play for his country? Just wondering, not a backhanded question.

I think he may of made assistant Captain with the Preds. I don't think he did with the Canucks and they had more depth than the Habs. I don't think he was ever more than a second line center?

He was a gritty player with skill but hard to compare within the two teams! Still though, he produced decently as a depth centermen!

plouf · Guru

I liked Ronning, but he was a very soft player. He had trouble staying in the lineup because he couldn't be used in situations requiring any defense or grit.

Koivu's production has never been mindblowing, to be sure, but he has played in the most defensive era since the 1960s, and he brings more than offense to the table.

I actually think Ronning and Ribeiro are more similar than Koivu to either of them. When Ribeiro is producing offense, he's very useful. I don't think he's the same kind of player as Koivu really. So it's hard to compare the two. Fact is, teams often need both kinds of players; a few softie offensive specialists, some all-rounders, some big guys, some goal scorers, lots of good skaters, defensive guys, etc...

All these guys can co-exist in theory and make up a decent team. The biggest problem with the Habs as I see it is that we don't have a commanding big defensive defenseman with a point shot to complement Markov (remember how well we did when Souray was on his game? Julien had the boys in a total groove before Souray's injury last time around.) And until recently our goaltending was a mess.

This affects our ability to play the uptempo offense-oriented game that our finesse-oriented forwards need to be able to play to be really effective. Also, several of our snipers are choosing this year to forget how to put the puck in the net (esp. Zednik). I suppose our other problem is that the team is still a bit green, but that's improving slowly. And finally, centre. Probably we don't have the right mix there, with Bonk having a bad time this year and the other three being pretty small guys. I agree with And-o there, but I don't actually think it's the main issue on the team.

Muller93 · Guru

plouf wrote:

I liked Ronning, but he was a very soft player. He had trouble
I actually think Ronning and Ribeiro are more similar than Koivu to either of them. When Ribeiro is producing offense, he's very useful. I don't think he's the same kind of player as Koivu really. So it's hard to compare the two. Fact is, teams often need both kinds of players; a few softie offensive specialists, some all-rounders, some big guys, some goal scorers, lots of good skaters, defensive guys, etc...

Yes Plouf. I liked Cliff Ronning. A pretty decent offensive guy. But not at all similair to koivu. Koivu is an all around hockey player. As well I actually think Ribby and Cliff are more similiar. They both have offensive skills and that is it. You can use those guys on your team...in fact you often need them...but you need the right mix of players for them to thrive.

24 Rings · Guru

plouf wrote:

I actually think Ronning and Ribeiro are more similar than Koivu to either of them.

I know it wasn't a direct comparison, plouf, but lets not insult Ronning by even insinuating that Ronning is similar to Ribs. Ronning had more grit in his finger than Ribs does in his whole body. Ribs could learn a thing or two by watching the way Ronning used to buzz all over the ice and even go digging for the puck if he had to. Also I believe that Ronning used to actually SHOOT the puck, as opposed to Ribsy.

AB Habman · Guru

24 Rings wrote:

plouf wrote: I actually think Ronning and Ribeiro are more similar than Koivu to either of them. I know it wasn't a direct comparison, plouf, but lets not insult Ronning by even insinuating that Ronning is similar to Ribs. Ronning had more grit in his finger than Ribs does in his whole body. Ribs could learn a thing or two by watching the way Ronning used to buzz all over the ice and even go digging for the puck if he had to. Also I believe that Ronning used to actually SHOOT the puck, as opposed to Ribsy.

Maybe we need to bring our BC friends into this discussion!

Muller93 · Guru

24 Rings wrote:

plouf wrote:
I actually think Ronning and Ribeiro are more similar than Koivu to either of them.
I know it wasn't a direct comparison, plouf, but lets not insult Ronning by even insinuating that Ronning is similar to Ribs. Ronning had more grit in his finger than Ribs does in his whole body. Ribs could learn a thing or two by watching the way Ronning used to buzz all over the ice and even go digging for the puck if he had to. Also I believe that Ronning used to actually SHOOT the puck, as opposed to Ribsy.

Yes 24 rings. Cliff had some more grit than Ribby and was a better skater. but Cliff was a horrible defensive player kinda like Ribs.

So Cliff was a better skater and plyed with more grit than Ribby. But to give Ribby some credit...he probably has better vision for passing than Cliff.

But it's still a pretty good comparison in terms of potential usefulness to their teams.

plouf · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

24 Rings wrote:
plouf wrote:
I actually think Ronning and Ribeiro are more similar than Koivu to either of them.
I know it wasn't a direct comparison, plouf, but lets not insult Ronning by even insinuating that Ronning is similar to Ribs. Ronning had more grit in his finger than Ribs does in his whole body. Ribs could learn a thing or two by watching the way Ronning used to buzz all over the ice and even go digging for the puck if he had to. Also I believe that Ronning used to actually SHOOT the puck, as opposed to Ribsy.

Yes 24 rings. Cliff had some more grit than Ribby and was a better skater. but Cliff was a horrible defensive player kinda like Ribs.

So Cliff was a better skater and plyed with more grit than Ribby. But to give Ribby some credit...he probably has better vision for passing than Cliff.

But it's still a pretty good comparison in terms of potential usefulness to their teams.

Probably right that Cliff was a bit grittier than Ribeiro and, the biggest difference, a great skater. He didn't shoot much though. Actually I think Ribs might be a better goalscorer. As for passing and vision, Ronning was pretty impressive in that department, like Ribeiro.