Bégin...wasn't he the one

Key Lime · Guru

Bégin...wasn't he the one

Saku11 · Senior Member

Key Lime wrote:

Bégin...wasn't he the one who caused a 5 on 3 last night. Funny how no one mentioned his penalty that, in essence, gave us no chance to win the game. Big difference defending a 5 on 3 compared to a 5 on 4. The captain is to blame. It's entirely his fault.

His penalty,if you look at it closely was first of all unintentional, second of all Capmbell skated right into his stick, and third of all if you think you are going to sit here and even think to start bashing Begin, you need not to post!! There is no comparison on that team of who lays it on the line night in and night out. So dont compare the two!

JohnM · Guru

You are correct. There is no comparison. Begin is a 4th line player who was picked of waivers.

Key Lime · Guru

Saku11 wrote:

Key Lime wrote: Bégin...wasn't he the one who caused a 5 on 3 last night. Funny how no one mentioned his penalty that, in essence, gave us no chance to win the game. Big difference defending a 5 on 3 compared to a 5 on 4. The captain is to blame. It's entirely his fault. His penalty,if you look at it closely was first of all unintentional, second of all Capmbell skated right into his stick, and third of all if you think you are going to sit here and even think to start bashing Begin, you need not to post!! There is no comparison on that team of who lays it on the line night in and night out. So dont compare the two!

You don't understand my post. Firstly, Begin is my favorite Hab. I don't know what you read but read it over my friend. I just wrote that because all the talk was about Koivu's penalty cost us the game but we got another one (from my favorite player) to cause the 5 on 3.

P.S. Don't tell what and what not to post especially if you have a quick trigger finger..and we'll be fine.

Saku11 · Senior Member

JohnM wrote:

You are correct. There is no comparison. Begin is a 4th line player who was picked of waivers.

Ok john i ll remind you of that.

Saku11 · Senior Member

Key Lime wrote:

Saku11 wrote: Key Lime wrote: Bégin...wasn't he the one who caused a 5 on 3 last night. Funny how no one mentioned his penalty that, in essence, gave us no chance to win the game. Big difference defending a 5 on 3 compared to a 5 on 4. The captain is to blame. It's entirely his fault. His penalty,if you look at it closely was first of all unintentional, second of all Capmbell skated right into his stick, and third of all if you think you are going to sit here and even think to start bashing Begin, you need not to post!! There is no comparison on that team of who lays it on the line night in and night out. So dont compare the two! You don't understand my post. Firstly, Begin is my favorite Hab. I don't know what you read but read it over my friend. I just wrote that because all the talk was about Koivu's penalty cost us the game but we got another one (from my favorite player) to cause the 5 on 3. P.S. Don't tell what and what not to post especially if you have a quick trigger finger..and we'll be fine.

we are fine, i just have different opinion. if your post was really to say Koivu's penalty killed the game, i think you worded wrong i thats why i probably misunderstood your post.

24 Rings · Guru

I'm with you guys, Begin is one of the few Habs who brings it every night. His gritty style is going to get him some penalties, and unfortunately it came it a really, really bad time.

I kind of thought that the refs called a lot of penalties on Montreal last night and they had a lot of easy chances to even it up throughout the game, but didn't.

mperra (Admin) · Guru

Key Lime wrote:

Bégin...wasn't he the one who caused a 5 on 3 last night. Funny how no one mentioned his penalty that, in essence, gave us no chance to win the game. Big difference defending a 5 on 3 compared to a 5 on 4. The captain is to blame. It's entirely his fault.

had Koivu not taken the penalty, with less than 2 minutes to play in the game, and the habs on a PP, there's no way begin would have been on the ice.

You look carefully of the replay and you see Koivu holding a stick while up against the boards in Buffalo's corner. The rest ... well we know what happened.

mac_attack · Member

it might of been unintentional but its still high sticking.. one thing i noticed was that when Komi got high sticked at the end the ref looked at him for like 2 seconds but when the sabers player got hit by begin he seen too look at to see if he was bleeding for a little while..... but then again if koivu didnt have a brain freeze it wouldnt of happend

barry33 · Guru

mperra (Admin) wrote:

Key Lime wrote: Bégin...wasn't he the one who caused a 5 on 3 last night. Funny how no one mentioned his penalty that, in essence, gave us no chance to win the game. Big difference defending a 5 on 3 compared to a 5 on 4. The captain is to blame. It's entirely his fault. had Koivu not taken the penalty, with less than 2 minutes to play in the game, and the habs on a PP, there's no way begin would have been on the ice. You look carefully of the replay and you see Koivu holding a stick while up against the boards in Buffalo's corner. The rest ... well we know what happened.

I agree Mario. The thing is we EXPECT more from Koivu. John you said it. Begin is a 4th line guy picked off of waivers. Koivu is a veteran and the captain. Koivu knows better. I remember some pooping all over Souray for his fight with McCarty and getting kicked out because he had his wrist wrapped. I believe the statement was "Souray cost the habs the game and should KNOW the rules". The same, I believe, applies to Saks in this case. Habs are on a PP with momentum. There was no reason for him to hold the guy's stick. It did not negate a rush or scoring opportunity. It was a lazy penalty. But as I said, what peeves me is the Captain leaving Begin to face the media while he disappears. Must have wanted to catch Letterman.

Muller93 · Guru

barry33 wrote:

But as I said, what peeves me is the Captain leaving Begin to face the media while he disappears. Must have wanted to catch Letterman.

Barry33. You always have great points but I gotta call you on this one. I already have and you conviently skimed over it.

Could there be ligit reasons for not facing the media? You speak as if you are the "all knowing one". Hey, you might be right, he may have shirked his responsibility. But I doubt it. Do you honestly think the ultimate leader( Bob Gainey) would let him get away with that?

I just call for a little logic that's all. That is a pretty huge screw up on Koivu's part if he actually did skip out for no ligit reason. Too huge really...

Barry33. You always point out all the same things that I do about Koivu. Great player, has given alot, would be better if he did not have to play as much etc. But since the CJ thing, you spend a great deal of energy trying to expose his lack of leadership. From every report I have heard, Koivu is one of the most respected leaders amongst his NHL peers( hab or not). I don't buy the lack of leadership thing Barry.

And I don't think I am biased. Why the heck would I be? I'm a fan but I'm not fanatical. I don't know Koivu as a person, and I'm sure as heck he could care less about me. I just apply common sense, look at statistics and watch the games.

-- Edited by Muller93 at 18:51, 2006-02-09

barry33 · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

barry33 wrote: But as I said, what peeves me is the Captain leaving Begin to face the media while he disappears. Must have wanted to catch Letterman. Barry33. You always have great points but I gotta call you on this one. I already have and you conviently skimed over it. Could there be ligit reasons for not facing the media? You speak as if you are the "all knowing one". Hey, you might be right, he may have shirked his responsibility. But I doubt it. Do you honestly think the ultimate leader( Bob Gainey) would let him get away with that? I just call for a little logic that's all. That is a pretty huge screw up on Koivu's part if he actually did skip out for no ligit reason. Too huge really... Barry33. You always point out all the same things that I do about Koivu. Great player, has given alot, would be better if he did not have to play as much etc. But since the CJ thing, you spend a great deal of energy trying to expose his lack of leadership. From every report I have heard, Koivu is one of the most respected leaders amongst his NHL peers( hab or not). I don't buy the lack of leadership thing Barry. And I don't think I am biased. Why the heck would I be? I'm a fan but I'm not a fanatical. I don't know Koivu as a person, and I'm sure as heck he could care less about me. I just apply common sense, look at statistics and watch the games.

Ahh yes..the old immunity necklace is out again. Muller I am tired of this. I did not respond because to be frank, I did not feel it worth of a response. This report was on the Team 990 that he ducked out on the media. The one reporter he saw Koivu said "I have nothing to say" and kept on walking. As for the reason, if he has a legitimate one, is he not free to state why? Does he not have an obligation to do so? Look at my posts Muller. I have stated that my claim there was lack of leadership goes before the "CJ thing". So give that a rest please. My point is this. The dressing room and team chemistry is poison this year. This has been pointed out by no less than McGuire, Bob McKenzie and yes Julien. I hold the captain partly responsible for that. Have a problem with that? Too bad. To me the fact that this team is so disjointed is partly the captains fault and the fact that h ecannot seem to right the ship is partly his fault. Next question?

And by the way..for your information..I HAVE met Saku Koivu and felt he was a nice guy. I have absolutely no bad feelings for the guy nor do I feel that he was responsible for Julien's firing. That was a TEAM effort. In fact, pretty much the only thing that they did well as a team all year. I have made my point clear on this a hundred times and am tire dof it. I like th eguy. No I do not love him nor do I put him on a pedestal. There have been things that I have seen from him AND the team this year that has made me question his leadership. Now if it makes all of you feel BETTER to say I am like this because of CJ fill your boots.

-- Edited by barry33 at 19:08, 2006-02-09

Muller93 · Guru

Whoa Barry. A little touchy eh? I merely pointed put that perhaps he had ligit reasons and that of late, you seem hell bent to crucify Koivu's leadership. I am just left with a slightly bad taste in my mouth as I recognize the whole Koivu lack of leadership thing only reared it's head around...oh November? It just seems a little "hmmmmmmish" to me...

barry33 · Guru

Muller93 wrote:

Whoa Barry. A little touchy eh? I merely pointed put that perhaps he had ligit reasons and that of late, you seem hell bent to crucify Koivu's leadership. I am just left with a slightly bad taste in my mouth as I recognize the whole Koivu lack of leadership thing only reared it's head around...oh November? It just seems a little "hmmmmmmish" to me...

Yes November..when did CJ get fired Muller? I am just tired of having every comment I say on here twisted to how I feel about Julien getting fired. I am over it. Enjoying the habs much more now. As for his legitimate reason I suggest that if he does, it will come out in the media.

Muller93 · Guru

barry33 wrote:

Muller93 wrote: Whoa Barry. A little touchy eh? I merely pointed put that perhaps he had ligit reasons and that of late, you seem hell bent to crucify Koivu's leadership. I am just left with a slightly bad taste in my mouth as I recognize the whole Koivu lack of leadership thing only reared it's head around...oh November? It just seems a little "hmmmmmmish" to me... Yes November..when did CJ get fired Muller? I am just tired of having every comment I say on here twisted to how I feel about Julien getting fired. I am over it. Enjoying the habs much more now. As for his legitimate reason I suggest that if he does, it will come out in the media.

Understood. But Koivu has been a great leader now for 4-5 years. What... all of the sudden he isn't? I'm sure if he was not a good leader, he would not have been wearing the "c" for so many years. It just would not happen.

November... when the team started to crumble. I guess we differ on who is to blame for it. I don't think it was CJ. I have been on here many times saying he might be the best coach ever to be let go. I think this team just has some real rats running around. If you ever had rats, you would know how hard they can be to get rid of...