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barry33


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We had a good start and things were going well," said centre Steve Begin, who assisted on Plekanec's first goal. "And suddenly we just gave up and didn't stick with the game plan. ... It's 60 minutes. If you quit after five minutes, the game's over."


This comment pretty much sums up the habs season to date. Quitting after 5 minutes and not sticking to the game plan. The question is therefore, why is the team quitting? Quite simply, the fact that there is no leadership on that team. What Gravelbourger said in his post regarding Theo and Rivet/Koivu is actually quite close to the truth. I am going to leave it at that. I have said it before and I will say it now. It will surpise many of you on this board where alot of the dressingroom problems lay with the habs. Yes Ribs is a problem. But, to be honest, the players on the team do not pay much attention to him anyway and his off ice demanour and his on ice performance do not really affect the team. He is what he is and the guys tend to laugh it off.


It is a fact that Theo has had discipline problems this year. I will not comment on the showing up to practice drunk thing, but I do know that there have been discussions in the past months regarding how he spends his off ice time. He did not look good last night on the bench. Even the guys on the Fan 990 were commenting on it today. However that could just be a lack of sleep worrying about his performance. But I tell ya, I looked better than that New years Day and if you saw what I put my body through New years Eve you would be pretty amazed.


On the phone in portion of the Fan 990 today they made the comment that "Koivu has been there through 6 coaches, maybe it is time to stop firing coaches and trade the captain" I am not sure I agree with that so do not shoot the messenger. I am just putting it out there for your ranting enjoyment. It is clear though. Something MAJOR needs to be done.



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Okay, something major needs to be done. Easier said than done. No one in their right mind would trade for Theodore and his bloated contract, poor work ethic and bad attitude. What exactly would the Canadiens get for Bonk,Riberio,Zednik... Not much, if anything. Trade Koviu, okay he is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year, so what if anything do we get in return for him? The only players that any team would want, are the so called untouchable younger players,Markov,Higgins,Plekanac,Ryder, and the Habswould be foolish to trade them.


     I agree that it would be best to completely overhaul this pathetic team but based on performance, contract obligations and reputation the guys Gainey probably would like to trade are all but impossible to unload unless one wants to get exceedingly little in return, although based on recent events perhaps addition by subtraction is the best thing.



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wright wrote:

Okay, something major needs to be done. Easier said than done. No one in their right mind would trade for Theodore and his bloated contract, poor work ethic and bad attitude. What exactly would the Canadiens get for Bonk,Riberio,Zednik... Not much, if anything. Trade Koviu, okay he is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year, so what if anything do we get in return for him? The only players that any team would want, are the so called untouchable younger players,Markov,Higgins,Plekanac,Ryder, and the Habswould be foolish to trade them.      I agree that it would be best to completely overhaul this pathetic team but based on performance, contract obligations and reputation the guys Gainey probably would like to trade are all but impossible to unload unless one wants to get exceedingly little in return, although based on recent events perhaps addition by subtraction is the best thing.
Excellant points wright. Although is Gainey does not sign Koivu he gets zero in return. WOuld it not be better to get something? (By the way interesting rumour this morning that says Koivu wants to play with his younger brother and Jaques Lemaire in Minnestota..take it for what it is worth)

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Even if Koivu is lost to free-agency, i.e. nothing received in return, the $3.5 mil of cap space might go further in the F.A. market this summer.

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Even if Koivu is lost to free-agency, i.e. nothing received in return, the $3.5 mil of cap space might go further in the F.A. market this summer.
Jonny- Great point. that is the reality of the new NHL and the dilemna that GM"s are faced with. Let him go and take the cap room and spend it, or trade him. In Koivu's case I say keep him and if you cannot get the exact deal want. let him go and spend the cap money. Personally I think Gainey is still learning ho wto be a GM in the new NHL. The wallet is not unlimited like it was in Dallas.

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Based on the Hab's performance this year, I can't see Koviu resigning with the team. Fine. Now the club has additional funds to spend on free agents. One problem, a lot of players do not want to play in Montreal for a variety of reasons. how many quality free agents have the Habs signed over the past decade? Sure, that was prior to the salary cap and all the aspects that go along with that, but it is very risky strategy to expect that with additional funds at the teams discretion that they will be able to upgrade. The Montreal media is brutal, fans jeering guys like Rivet, and the pathetic performance of this club over the past decade are all factors as to why alot of guys don't want to play in Montreal. The era of the Habs mystique is long gone.


      Rebuilding will have to be done predominately through the draft and some smart trades, although given the recent track record (Bonk for Garon) a quick upward turn may not happen.



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Based on the Hab's performance this year, I can't see Koviu resigning with the team. Fine. Now the club has additional funds to spend on free agents. One problem, a lot of players do not want to play in Montreal for a variety of reasons. how many quality free agents have the Habs signed over the past decade? Sure, that was prior to the salary cap and all the aspects that go along with that, but it is very risky strategy to expect that with additional funds at the teams discretion that they will be able to upgrade. The Montreal media is brutal, fans jeering guys like Rivet, and the pathetic performance of this club over the past decade are all factors as to why alot of guys don't want to play in Montreal. The era of the Habs mystique is long gone.       Rebuilding will have to be done predominately through the draft and some smart trades, although given the recent track record (Bonk for Garon) a quick upward turn may not happen.
Wright- you are correct. The "assumption" is that if you do not trade Koivu that you will be able to upgrade using that cap money with a free agent. I am not so sure. Guess that is why I am not a GM, I dont want the job

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