Before we all get too excited

nietche · Veteran Member

Before we all get too excited

Nil d · Guru

nietche wrote:

1. Sens played w/o Alfie, Spezza and Hvlat 2. 1st habs goal should have been called back, or whistled dead (Macreree showing again he's a poor referee) 3. Bonk scores ... get real, it deflected off him. Notice later how Bonk couldnt finish in the crease when the puck was ON HIS STICK and the net was WIDE OPEN 4. habs couldn't put one past Dominator 5. Kovalev is off his game 6. Zednick is ooooooofffffffffffffffffffffffffff his game too (was he even in uniform tonight?) Anyhow, all of this to say that habs got LUCKY. I expect a let down in Denver this week, especially if Ribs get a full shift (notice he was also invisible today) -- Edited by nietche at 19:04, 2006-01-07

Way to pour cold water over us, nietche!

I agree with all you say, but there were more positives than negatives in that game (good goaltending, D played well, good intensity, first goals by Bonk and Dandenault, Ribeiro actually getting physical once (in defense of Kovalev), etc. In my view, it was a well-deserved win.

brooklynhabfan · Guru

Nil d wrote:

nietche wrote:
1. Sens played w/o Alfie, Spezza and Hvlat 2. 1st habs goal should have been called back, or whistled dead (Macreree showing again he's a poor referee) 3. Bonk scores ... get real, it deflected off him. Notice later how Bonk couldnt finish in the crease when the puck was ON HIS STICK and the net was WIDE OPEN 4. habs couldn't put one past Dominator 5. Kovalev is off his game 6. Zednick is ooooooofffffffffffffffffffffffffff his game too (was he even in uniform tonight?) Anyhow, all of this to say that habs got LUCKY. I expect a let down in Denver this week, especially if Ribs get a full shift (notice he was also invisible today) -- Edited by nietche at 19:04, 2006-01-07

Way to pour cold water over us, nietche!

Even Bonar was deflated by that post

davidb · Guru

That may be true, but think how good it wouuld have been if Kovy and Zed were on their game. What would you have posted if we lost. I saw no problem with our first goal, and I did not see any argument from the Sens

Jay1982 · Guru

nietche wrote:

1. Sens played w/o Alfie, Spezza and Hvlat 2. 1st habs goal should have been called back, or whistled dead (Macreree showing again he's a poor referee)

His name is Bill McCreary atleast spell it right. And he is one of the best NHL referees. I'd like to se you referee a novice gane, let alone an NHL game and see how well you do.

AB Habman · Guru

nietche wrote:

1. Sens played w/o Alfie, Spezza and Hvlat 2. 1st habs goal should have been called back, or whistled dead (Macreree showing again he's a poor referee) 3. Bonk scores ... get real, it deflected off him. Notice later how Bonk couldnt finish in the crease when the puck was ON HIS STICK and the net was WIDE OPEN 4. habs couldn't put one past Dominator 5. Kovalev is off his game 6. Zednick is ooooooofffffffffffffffffffffffffff his game too (was he even in uniform tonight?) Anyhow, all of this to say that habs got LUCKY. I expect a let down in Denver this week, especially if Ribs get a full shift (notice he was also invisible today) -- Edited by nietche at 19:04, 2006-01-07

Agreed! Good points! It's along ways to the playoffs! We still need Gainey to help out!

nietche · Veteran Member

6 habs on the ice for the first habs goal ... replayed on RDS for all to see. Mcreary missed it.

Habs D appeared to play well? sure, but they did not have Alfie, Hvlat or Spezza to contend with.

Don't get me wrong, I love the habs and have for 15 years. It's just that they have a long way to go to get back to the top of their game.

(by the way, I agree that Huet played well ... but again, he wasn't facing 2 of the Sens top snipers, so we'll have to wait for a rematch before annointing him)

Zulrath · Senior Member

nietche wrote:

1. Sens played w/o Alfie, Spezza and Hvlat
2. 1st habs goal should have been called back, or whistled dead (Macreree showing again he's a poor referee)
3. Bonk scores ... get real, it deflected off him. Notice later how Bonk couldnt finish in the crease when the puck was ON HIS STICK and the net was WIDE OPEN
4. habs couldn't put one past Dominator
5. Kovalev is off his game
6. Zednick is ooooooofffffffffffffffffffffffffff his game too (was he even in uniform tonight?)

Anyhow, all of this to say that habs got LUCKY. I expect a let down in Denver this week, especially if Ribs get a full shift (notice he was also invisible today)
-- Edited by nietche at 19:04, 2006-01-07

I want to disagree with you saying we got lucky. The Sens were down and the Habs came out swinging. CJ had the squad fired up, and things went our way. It's easy to point out the negatives, but it was a well deserved win for a well played game.

nietche · Veteran Member

Sure, disagree with me ....

i) first goal was not legit (should have been whistled dead with 6 habs on the ice)

ii) Bonk goal was a lucky deflection

iii) Fortunately the Sens were missing a few key players

iv) All of which means lady luck was on the side of the habs today.

The habs need to realize that they won today despite all their mistakes and weaknesses because of a few lucky things. They need to correct the mistakes for the next game, because luck may shine on their opponent.

Zulrath · Senior Member

Maybe things weren't as perfect as they could be. But I think it's still more the product of hard work leading to the bounces going our way. Sometimes they go our way, sometimes they don't. The point is the way the team played today was with passion, if we played like that every game, we'd be winning more games.

nietche · Veteran Member

Not everyone was working hard. Where was Kovy? Zed? Ryder? Ribs?

My point is, unless these 4 guys start to play hard for 60 minutes, the habs are cooked. And we shouldn't let a bit of luck blind us to the fact that not all 20 guys are giving it 100%

Jay1982 · Guru

nietche wrote:

6 habs on the ice for the first habs goal ... replayed on RDS for all to see. Mcreary missed it.

Humans cannot see every little thing on the ice, did Murray ask for a replay?

nietche · Veteran Member

What difference does it make that Murray didn't see the gaff or ask for a replay.

My point is ... the habs caught a lucky break.

I'd prefer to see the habs come out hard and makes things happen and win games by giving 100% for 60 minues. Not because they get lucky.

Caper_hab_fan · Veteran Member

Sometimes you need that to spark your team. The habs aren't the only team to get lucky here and there i'm sure. Vancouver got lucky to beat the flames last night, powerplay after powerplay, and even in OT. Come on boys, we needed that win, in a positive note, not negative.

mdmrules · Member

my god what do you want from them... even in victory they can't shake the critics. call it luck if you want but you have to be good to be lucky and the win still counts.

norskipaul · Senior Member

After all the injuries the Canadiens have been carrying and the number of questionable calls that have gone against us this season I think it was about time we got a few lucky breaks.These things usually even themselves out during the course of a season...Come on guys, let's enjoy it while we can!

davidb · Guru

Thankyou mdmrules thats what I have been saying. They lose we criticize we win we do the same. Go figure , What do the Habs need to do to get on the good side of people. ITS TWO POINTS AGAINST THE SENS who would not be happy????????

-- Edited by davidb at 09:56, 2006-01-08

ray · Senior Member

Jay1982 wrote:

nietche wrote: 1. Sens played w/o Alfie, Spezza and Hvlat 2. 1st habs goal should have been called back, or whistled dead (Macreree showing again he's a poor referee) His name is Bill McCreary atleast spell it right. And he is one of the best NHL referees. I'd like to se you referee a novice gane, let alone an NHL game and see how well you do.

Jay why is it every time someone mentions something about the ref you get all defensive, people are intitled to their opnions. I agree McCreary is one of the best, and we were fortunate he missed the "too many men on the ice" which happens and right now we need some bounces to go our way. but at the end of the game the habs won and no matter how we won its still 2 pts we really need . So lets jump back on the wagon and go for two in a row.

Nil d · Guru

davidb wrote:

Thankyou mdmrules thats what I have been saying. They lose we criticize we win we do the same. Go figure , What do the Habs need to do to get on the good side of people. ITS TWO POINTS AGAINST THE SENS who would not be happy???????? -- Edited by davidb at 09:56, 2006-01-08

Right on, david! I, for one, am unqualifiedly happy!

Jay1982 · Guru

nietche wrote:

What difference does it make that Murray didn't see the gaff or ask for a replay. My point is ... the habs caught a lucky break. I'd prefer to see the habs come out hard and makes things happen and win games by giving 100% for 60 minues. Not because they get lucky.

The fact is not even Murray say it, no one complained about it. So it went unseen, for you to make a bold statement as to say he is the worst official is mis-informed.

ray wrote:

Jay why is it every time someone mentions something about the ref you get all defensive, people are intitled to their opnions. I agree McCreary is one of the best, and we were fortunate he missed the "too many men on the ice" which happens and right now we need some bounces to go our way. but at the end of the game the habs won and no matter how we won its still 2 pts we really need . So lets jump back on the wagon and go for two in a row.

They are entitled to their own opinion, as am I. Which is exactly what I'm giving. And I do get defensive because blaming a referee is a piss poor excuse to escape the bad play of one team. In everyone's eyes its always the referee's fault for whatever happened. Being a referee myself, it annoys me to see comments, or even hear them when around other people, because not until you have refereed one game, you have no idea what it is like trying to manage a game from the ice surface, its nothing like watching a game from a bird's eye view while having a beer and staying staionary in one spot. I don't build myself up to something as a superior hockey guru, I do however know what it is like to be on the ice during a hockey game, and to have some guy cross-check another guy in the face, call the penalty, an obvious one, then have the other coach **** on me because while I was looking at that cross check, I missed a "alledged" (sp?) tripping penalty in a spot I couldn't see. Only to have a beer bottle cracked over my skull as I left the arena that same night.

Point is- referee's have a hard job, especially in the NHL, and I take it upon myself to inform people that they should look at the bigger picture before blaming one human who has a tough job, for their favorite team's performance in one game.

ray · Senior Member

yes refs have one the hardest jobs in the world, but obviously you didn't see the post game comments maid by Redden and Murray about too many men on the ice. I agree you have an opnion just like everyone else, but just cause someone spelled the refs name wrong isn't reason for you to jump all over him. Then for you to challenge him to be a ref.

ray · Senior Member

Jay just one other little thing, sorry if you think i'm ganging up on you but how do you know that the people ganging up on refrees, haven't been a ref also.

-- Edited by ray at 16:08, 2006-01-08

nietche · Veteran Member

Thanks for the comments Ray. fyi I like your avatar .... Calvin is "bust a gut" funny.

And for the record, I have not ref'd a hockey game. However, I've watched and played in hundreds of games, and in the NHL usually the refs catch the too many men penalties (in fact, it seems that this season there's been in inordinate # of too many men calls, with whistles even when the offending team is not in control of the puck)

McCreary missed the call ... his mistake, no one elses. And it had a definite effect on the game ... Imagine how deflated the habs would have been to have it called back (or blown dead before the goal)

barry33 · Guru

nietche wrote:

6 habs on the ice for the first habs goal ... replayed on RDS for all to see. Mcreary missed it. Habs D appeared to play well? sure, but they did not have Alfie, Hvlat or Spezza to contend with. Don't get me wrong, I love the habs and have for 15 years. It's just that they have a long way to go to get back to the top of their game. (by the way, I agree that Huet played well ... but again, he wasn't facing 2 of the Sens top snipers, so we'll have to wait for a rematch before annointing him)

Uhhmmm..Huet beat the Sens 2 weeks ago with said snipers in the lineup although Spezza left in the first period. I do not think you see anyone on thi sboard from the posts I have reayd planning the cup parade, however when you are in a slump you need to find "little victories", and this was one of them. FOr once they played almost 60 minutes of hockey. As far as not beating the Dominator, fine. But let's not forget that they beat the Dominator the last game and that Emery, until now, pretty much had Montreal's number. And if the Habs were lucky enough to catch a break or two (officiating or lucky bounce), it is about time because to be honest, the breaks for those in a Montreal uniform have been few and far between lately.

Jay1982 · Guru

ray wrote:

Jay just one other little thing, sorry if you think i'm ganging up on you but how do you know that the people ganging up on refrees, haven't been a ref also. -- Edited by ray at 16:08, 2006-01-08

I don't feel ganged up on at all, I actually would have thought my defending the officials would have made me a hated person or atleast dislike.

I know they haven't refereed by the comments the make, when you become a referee, and you actually stay in it long enough, you know by people's attitudes towards the game itself that they have or have not refereed.

I was challenging nietche because he made the statement that he is one of the worst officials, which right away sends off bells in my head indicating that he has not done research and is just doing so for the hell of it.

And as for Redden and Murray, its easy to say something after the game, after they have been told by someone else that it happened, if they caught it during the game they would have been all over the officals to go upstairs, and would have made something of it. Only later, after the game, did they mention it, when they had time to gather, and talk with other people, reporters, and so on.

davidb · Guru

Well said Barry

Jay1982 · Guru

thanks

plouf · Guru

Jay1982 wrote:

nietche wrote: 1. Sens played w/o Alfie, Spezza and Hvlat 2. 1st habs goal should have been called back, or whistled dead (Macreree showing again he's a poor referee) His name is Bill McCreary atleast spell it right. And he is one of the best NHL referees. I'd like to se you referee a novice gane, let alone an NHL game and see how well you do.

hey nietche:

I think you mean to spell it "Nietzsche" also, since apparently you're trying to adopt a cold-eyed, sort of cynical attitude.

Jonny G · Senior Member

plouf wrote:

hey nietche:
I think you mean to spell it "Nietzsche" also, since apparently you're trying to adopt a cold-eyed, sort of cynical attitude.

I think that it's spelled Nietche in some German circles. In English, it's spelled Nietzsche.