French media and Ribeiro

plouf · Guru

French media and Ribeiro

heet_150 · Guru

plouf wrote:

He may be a beloved son, but even so, it's clear he's in trouble with everyone these days. Here's an example: "...Si Ribeiro et Ryder ne parviennent pas à se faire valoir en l’absence de Kovalev. Gainey n’aura d’autres choix que de chercher à les remplacer dans une futur rapproché. Il est de plus en plus évident que Ribeiro ne possède pas la vitesse nécessaire pour se pour couper au filet lorsqu’il rentre en zone offensive. Cette carence fait en sorte que l’adversaire ne se compromet plus à son endroit et qu’il est, par le fait même, incapable de se créer des opportunités de marquer...." (I assume all of you speak hockey French right? )

Non.

Jonny G · Senior Member

I couldn't agree more. I'm not sure which columnist wrote that excerpt, but it seems to make sense. It might also come down to whether Ribs can quickly learn to adopt a defence-first philosophy.

I feel like Gainey is gonna make some magic.

Power · Veteran Member

in English please

Nil d · Guru

Power wrote:

in English please

Basically saying that if Ryder and Ribeiro do not step it up in Kovalev's absence, Gainey may be forced to "replace them" (trade?) in the near future. He further states that defencemen have figured out that Ribeiro is too slow to pose a threat to cut to the net, so they do not have to compromise themselves going after him, since he's not fast enough to create his own scoring chances.

........or something like that.

JohnM · Guru

Muller93, do you write for a french media source

murphy · Veteran Member

I have a problem with Ryder being "lumped" in with Ribeiro. Ribeiro, I think, is a goal scorer but that is where his talents end. He very seldom can carry the puck up the ice as he is so easily checked and usually does not make much of an effort to retrieve same when he loses possession. He then becomes a defensive liability as he does not back check. Ryder on the other hand can carry the puck and is difficult to check. He has an accurate, hard, and quick wrist shot and leads the team in goals. He also leads the team in SOG with 60(Kovalev being next with 59) and, with the exception of Kov, has a substantial lead on the rest of the team in this category. Unfortunately he is a -8 in +/-(as of Saturday's Stats) which I feel is influenced by playing with Ribeiro who is a -6. In fairness to both, they have been playing with many different LWs which does not allow for continuity.

Criticism is probably now becoming a factor in the play of Ryder and Ribeiro and some of it is justified however, Julien cannot expect that any player will take the place of Kovalev therefore all the team, not just Ryder and Ribeiro, have to work that much harder. The recent losses have been the result of poor play by all-not just 2. Incidentally, in Saturday's game, Ryder had 6 shots on goal which is an indication he was at least trying.

Power · Veteran Member

Nil d wrote:

Power wrote: in English please Basically saying that if Ryder and Ribeiro do not step it up in Kovalev's absence, Gainey may be forced to "replace them" (trade?) in the near future. He further states that defencemen have figured out that Ribeiro is too slow to pose a threat to cut to the net, so they do not have to compromise themselves going after him, since he's not fast enough to create his own scoring chances. ........or something like that.

Thx

, i think that Ribeiros play have an bad affect on Ryders play, i think that CJ:s should separate them.

Figaro · Guru

Power wrote:

i think that Ribeiros play have an bad affect on Ryders play, i think that CJ:s should separate them.

I agree with you, Power. Ryder needs time with the first line or with a combination of Higgins, Plekanec or Perezhogin.

Kendich · Veteran Member

Figaro wrote:

I agree with you, Power. Ryder needs time with the first line or with a combination of Higgins, Plekanec or Perezhogin.

That would be great, imagine the 2nd line of:

Higgins-Plekanec-Ryder

Speed, grit, and defensive play. I'm really hoping this line will at least be given a chance.

Jonny G · Senior Member

That does sound like a delicious combination!

Muller93 · Guru

JohnM wrote:

Muller93, do you write for a french media source

No. But now I might like to.

Muller93 · Guru

Also. I think Gainey is clever on this one. Would not want to point out the french darling alone. But if he lumps Ryder in on it, is seems better. Come on, from the games I've watched, Ryder is a scoring threat almost ever game. His +/- is a reflection of how really really bad Ribero is defensively.( Any line's defensive abilities generally are contigent on how good the line's center is at defensive zone coverage down low)

As I have said once before and will say again. In order for a player like Ribero to be worth anything, he needs at least a point/game. Otherwise, he just ends up being a liability. A point per game Ribs ( or learn how to play some defense and grow some B#$&'s when playing in the corners).

davidb · Guru

it feel ryder is more of an asset than ribs i feel like we have walked down this path before ala breezby

AB Habman · Guru

I'll say it again! Ryder isn't playing as great as you all think! CJ mentions him for a reason! Watch how he carries the puck with his head down and skates into traffic then loses it. Ryder is best not to carry the puck but rather go to the crease without it and make room for his linemates. With his big frame and great shot, that is where he is effective!

Like I mentioned before, one player doesn't make a line effective unless you're Mario in his prime! So then why blame only one player! They are all responsible for poor play!

Nil d · Guru

AB Habman wrote:

I'll say it again! Ryder isn't playing as great as you all think! CJ mentions him for a reason! Watch how he carries the puck with his head down and skates into traffic then loses it. Ryder is best not to carry the puck but rather go to the crease without it and make room for his linemates. With his big frame and great shot, that is where he is effective! Like I mentioned before, one player doesn't make a line effective unless you're Mario in his prime! So then why blame only one player! They are all responsible for poor play!

I think you're being too hard on Ryder, Ab. He's a scoring threat every time he's on the ice, a master of whirling and getting himself in scoring position and getting shots off from unlikely spots (he just scored as I write this!). I admit that at times he seems to be fighting the puck a bit, especially outside the scoring zone, but when he gets a bead on, he usually creates a scoring chance. In theory, he (a pure scorer) and Ribeiro (a good passer) makes sense on a line, but the chemistry just doesn't seem to be there. I'm not sure where the problem lies, but I'm more likely to point the finger at Ribeiro than Ryder.

AB Habman · Guru

Nil d, I'm not stating that Ryder has been worse than Ribs or comparing them. I'm just trying to make a point that it's not all Ribs fault that the line hasn't been good. I would agree that Ribs has been worse than Ryder but that Ryder hasn't been perfect either! It just doesn't seem fair to blame Ribs 100%!

Nil d · Guru

AB Habman wrote:

Nil d, I'm not stating that Ryder has been worse than Ribs or comparing them. I'm just trying to make a point that it's not all Ribs fault that the line hasn't been good. I would agree that Ribs has been worse than Ryder but that Ryder hasn't been perfect either! It just doesn't seem fair to blame Ribs 100%!

Fair enough. But he has 2 points so far tonight!

norskipaul · Senior Member

I don't get it. Ribeiro's portugese...why is he a "darling" of the french media?

davidb · Guru

I will say Ryder lately has missed so many shots in close.He like Souray has a great hard shot. Ryder is not alone though. Just watch Souray who 2 years ago was deadly. I still think Sourays shot accuracy and speed is suffering. Makes me wonder if his wrist ever actually healed 100 percent